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Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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Just use syncthing. It works better, is open source, and runs on everything.

I guess you could say it runs of everything unless you use one of the two most popular operating systems in the world: Android and iOS.

Not sure what you're on about, its right in F-Droid [1]. What is or isn't on iOS is in Apple's control. I recommend to take a look at Nextcloud. You can use it to control your own files, calendar, etc without some third party using it for data mining.

[1] https://staging.f-droid.org/search?q=syncthing&lang=en

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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I’m not talking about FTP, which isn’t a network file system. I’m talking about NFS, AFS, and sucessors in that line of development. E.g. https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/snehcp/coda-file-system . I’m literally talking about the theory of the paper by Richard Gabriel ( https://www.dreamsongs.com/RiseOfWorseIsBetter.html ) which is that worse solutions often win because it takes too much time to bring a good solution…

> Which is why we’re all using an internet powered by Javascript, Electron apps on the desktop, etc. Worse is better. That's being a bit alarmist, isn't it? It's not worse is better. It's the right amount of compromises is better. Or, "good enough is better". Perfection usually has diminishing returns and is rarely obtainable. Worse is not better. Good enough is better; objectively so.

As my brother likes to say, "good enough is, otherwise they wouldn't call it that."

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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In that case it might have been helpful if you stated that you were shifting the context away from FTP; as was the context in the GPs comment. ;) NFS and AFS (from what limited I know of it) are more designed for local networks thus to leverage NFS over a WAN you'd then need to tunnel your connection (eg via SSH or VPN). So while there is obviously overlap between them and Dropbox I wouldn't really say the two are al…

>you'd then need to tunnel your connection (eg via SSH or VPN) Well, there is an sshfs FUSE filesystem, for what it's worth

Yup, mentioned that in my previous post. Awesome project. I remember the first time I discovered it - I felt like a caveman who'd just discovered fire.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

#174

No problem, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem.

Or you can use Syncthing instead, you know.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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Then put a limit and don't claim unlimited

Bad for business. Better slap "unlimited" everywhere but just shoo away the hoarders.

Well assuming this paranoid reason for their move is true... (an assumption I don’t buy into) it would be more about churners than hoarders.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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Would you kindly provide recommendations? I'm looking for a sync service which can run on windows AND linux (which is why onedrive and google drive are out)...and i'm willing to pay a fair monthly fee.

rsync.net seems to get mentioned around here every now and again. I haven't used them though personally, so not sure of good/bad/etc. Unlike what their name (rsync) suggests, they do seem to support Windows clients and aren't *nix only: https://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/windows.html

The documentation for the Windows client (1) almost seems like a joke. In the screenshots the text gets cut off in the UI, there's sentences that say "don't use this versioning feature we're about to talk about" and tons of text that's been striked-through. There's also zero mention if the client supports backing up open files via volume shadow snapshots which is basically requirement number one for any Windows backup client.

1 - https://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/windows_backup_agent.h...

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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> we’re ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems . The supported file systems... and Ext4 for Linux. Yeah this is not how it works. This is not how any of this works

That statement is bit dubious. The next line also says: > A supported file system is required as Dropbox relies on extended attributes (X-attrs) to identify files in the Dropbox folder and keep them in sync. We will keep supporting only the most common file systems that support X-attrs, so we can ensure stability and a consistent experience. Certainly XFS supports xattr and hence ideally should be supported. I don't…

Btrfs also has supported xattr since the start. It might be that they're dropping ecryptfs support which is file level encryption (blockdev>filesystem>encryption), whereas you're doing block level encryption with LUKS (blockdev>LUKS>filesystem). Since 2016, ext4 crypto and f2fs crypto were moved to VFS, open question if Dropbox will support that setup which is very common on recent Android versions.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

#178
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FTP is neither sophisticated nor a network file system. Frankly I'd take Dropbox over FTP any day of the week - FTP needs to die. Thankfully your options are not limited to either Dropbox or FTP. Thus people who want simplicity can have Dropbox (or similar) and people who want control can have sshfs or any number of other tools out there that require some assembly but also don't suffer from the numerous problems that…

I’m not talking about FTP, which isn’t a network file system. I’m talking about NFS, AFS, and sucessors in that line of development. E.g. https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/snehcp/coda-file-system . I’m literally talking about the theory of the paper by Richard Gabriel ( https://www.dreamsongs.com/RiseOfWorseIsBetter.html ) which is that worse solutions often win because it takes too much time to bring a good solution…

Dropbox may come through for you in the end. They've got a feature called "Smart Sync" that is a network file system implemented as a kernel driver. See https://www.dropbox.com/smartsync and https://www.dropbox.com/help/desktop-web/filesystem-integrat.... Not sure if it's doing block level diff or not though.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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3G was when they added Windows support. Probably coincidence :)

No, Windows support came with the 2G in 2002. iTunes for Windows wasn’t a thing and few Windows machines had FireWire, but the Windows-compatible iPod came out in 2002. The 3G was the breakthrough model, but I lend that as much to the dock connector (which was available in USB and FireWire) and the growth of x-platform iTunes as anything. The broader point that it required Windows support for the iPod to become mains…

You're right. It really was the dock connector that made it a viable product for many people. The fact that the first iPods were Firewire (which I totally had forgotten about and I even had a 1G iPod) made it very difficult to make it work outside of the Apple ecosystem.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

#180

No problem, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem.

What? No! The whole idea of paying dropbox 10 bucks per month is to get a ready-made functioning solution.

It is not like they are not implementing a feature but removing one.

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