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Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just in case anyone doesn't recognize this quote, it is from the 2007 hacker news post about Dropbox: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

It really sums up nerds' lack of comprehension of the importance of user experience. It's like the UX version of the apocryphal "640k is all anyone will ever need."

It's not merely UX. At the heart of utility, you'll find simplicity and efficiency of use.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #35

> we’re ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems . The supported file systems... and Ext4 for Linux. Yeah this is not how it works. This is not how any of this works

That statement is bit dubious. The next line also says: > A supported file system is required as Dropbox relies on extended attributes (X-attrs) to identify files in the Dropbox folder and keep them in sync. We will keep supporting only the most common file systems that support X-attrs, so we can ensure stability and a consistent experience. Certainly XFS supports xattr and hence ideally should be supported. I don't…

It's because Linux users know what they're getting and store more data then "regular" users. It's the same reason "unlimited" storage plans from Backblaze don't have a Linux client.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #49
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really sums up nerds' lack of comprehension of the importance of user experience. It's like the UX version of the apocryphal "640k is all anyone will ever need."

The other famous one of those is "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame." https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-i...

I like it. iTunes, for those that haven't used a Mac, is REALLY slick.

This has aged gloriously, thank you!

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #59

Excluding XFS is an odd choice as it's very common in the server world. I'm assuming encryptfs-ext4 has some attribute issue that prevents them for doing efficient deltas. That aside, what's the use case for encryptfs at all? Isn't it strictly worse than LUKS on the underlying volume or a volume file mounted via loopback?

I would hold my horses on xfs being unsupported claim. They explicitly said any modern file system with xattr is supported. XFS does fit that description. OP has drawn his own conclusions from the Dropbox reply.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just in case anyone doesn't recognize this quote, it is from the 2007 hacker news post about Dropbox: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

It’s a really great example of worse is better.[1] We went from sophisticated network file system to a daemon that destroys your battery life (at least on Mac) watching for file changes in a directory. [1] https://www.dreamsongs.com/RiseOfWorseIsBetter.html

FTP is neither sophisticated nor a network file system. Frankly I'd take Dropbox over FTP any day of the week - FTP needs to die.

Thankfully your options are not limited to either Dropbox or FTP. Thus people who want simplicity can have Dropbox (or similar) and people who want control can have sshfs or any number of other tools out there that require some assembly but also don't suffer from the numerous problems that pre-TCP/IP protocols like FTP suffer from.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #43
post #20

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Probably not as such users are just a vocal minority, and probably not enough to use as a consumer group.

Doesn’t mean the niche user base isn’t big enough to support a small scale operation Think nerd friendly and minimal, like NearlyFreeSpeech is to domain registrars

Good example of a small scale niche service that seems to do well (I think): https://www.tarsnap.com/

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #55

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Or just use Google Drive

Sorry, Google Drive doesn't support Linux.

https://abevoelker.github.io/how-long-since-google-said-a-go...

And famously so.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #62
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That statement is bit dubious. The next line also says: > A supported file system is required as Dropbox relies on extended attributes (X-attrs) to identify files in the Dropbox folder and keep them in sync. We will keep supporting only the most common file systems that support X-attrs, so we can ensure stability and a consistent experience. Certainly XFS supports xattr and hence ideally should be supported. I don't…

It's because Linux users know what they're getting and store more data then "regular" users. It's the same reason "unlimited" storage plans from Backblaze don't have a Linux client.

Yeah, this is probably about cutting out the big data users. They don't even offer an unlimited plan, but they probably noticed that certain linux users were using most of their 2tb plans while everyone else wasn't.

Lose the most active users, keep the ones paying for something they don't need.

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #38

It's a shame that btrfs seems to be dead in the water. I guess nobody with the resources to build such a filesystem actually needs its snapshotting and integrity features at the filesystem level?

btrfs supports xattr, it's also activly developed - there are always improvements in each new kernel release. Personally I'm avoiding it because I've got burned enough times with btrfs and the current >0.7.x ZFS on Linux versions with ABD work very well for me.

While I have been burned by btrfs and I'm using it very warily, I agree that stability has improved dramatically over the last year or two. Also they make it more clear which features are done and which are not: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Status

Re: Ending support for Dropbox syncing to drives with certain uncommon file systems

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post #42

No problem, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem.

The modern alternative is probably Syncthing. I intermittently maintain a list of these things at https://github.com/pjc50/pjc50.github.io/blob/master/secure-... ; none of them have ever been precisely what I wanted. The cheap alternative to Dropbox with Linux support you want was "Hubic" from OVH (edit: now discontinued)

But where would you sync to? Dropbox also keeps a copy of your files which makes it attractive without the need to set up configure your home nas.

Although it's arguably a more intelligent decission to share private files not with a company like dropbox.

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