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Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by hutzlibu »

kschlagel wrote: post #6

I’ve been fascinated with this since I first heard about it on NPR about a year ago. I love my dogs almost as much as my human family. In fact, I usually find myself trusting in my dogs more than other people and am that guy you see at the local dog park all the time. Point is I am the kind of person that would do this if I had the money. But i wonder how similar the dog’s personality would be to the one i loved. In…

"Better to just cherish the life while it’s there."

Yes!

You cannot really clone a living thing, we can only make something that somewhat has the same DNA, but that is not a copy!

Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by sharpneli »

hutzlibu wrote: post #21
kschlagel wrote: post #6

I’ve been fascinated with this since I first heard about it on NPR about a year ago. I love my dogs almost as much as my human family. In fact, I usually find myself trusting in my dogs more than other people and am that guy you see at the local dog park all the time. Point is I am the kind of person that would do this if I had the money. But i wonder how similar the dog’s personality would be to the one i loved. In…

"Better to just cherish the life while it’s there." Yes! You cannot really clone a living thing, we can only make something that somewhat has the same DNA, but that is not a copy!

We already have a term for that. It's identical twin. It's similar but not the same.

Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by vinceguidry »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #17
taneq wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's more that it's OK to do creepy shit if you're in a clean, brightly lit, sciencey looking place and you have attractive smiling people advertising your expensive services. "Rule 1: Be attractive." applies to companies as well as people.

> I think it's more that it's OK to do creepy shit if you're in a clean, brightly lit, sciencey looking place and you have attractive smiling people advertising your expensive services. I wonder if it is still, though. The spacious, sterile looking, brightly-lit white rooms inhabited by attractive, perfectly dressed and groomed staff have been a synonym to "some sick dystopian shit is going on here" in books and movi…

This is in Asia, which doesn't really share the same pop culture tropes. I seriously doubt this would ever fly in the West.

Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by alexgmcm »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #8
ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #5

People talk about this because it is a disgusting display of wealth, and morally immature to say the least. But all technologies like this, meant ultimately for humans, will be tested on animals first. If we are going to learn and refine cloning on dogs anyway..... they scientists might as well bring back "Captain Fluffles".

True in a sense, but much like dogs, cloning humans seems quixotic as we don't have any shortage of humans, either. Cloning organs and tissues has more potential, granted.

Yeah - but I guess it could help understand things better that may lead to further advances and so on.

Science is so unpredictable that we shouldn't restrict progress just because it feels 'creepy'.

Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by hutzlibu »

sharpneli wrote: post #22
hutzlibu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Better to just cherish the life while it’s there." Yes! You cannot really clone a living thing, we can only make something that somewhat has the same DNA, but that is not a copy!

We already have a term for that. It's identical twin. It's similar but not the same.

yes ... so the the term clone is wrong and should be "identical twin" (and since most of them have "defects" maybe not even that)

Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by r_smart »

alonmower wrote: post #3

I have a dog, have lost dogs in the past, and understand how sad it is. But man, there are so many dogs in shelters getting killed because of overcrowding that it boggles my mind that people can be so selfishly fixated on their needs that they don't think about the costs of their decisions (suffering of the surrogate dogs, the clones that don't make it, and the disgustingly high monetary costs here). Life is full of…

I have two rescues and think it is good if people adopt more of them, but I also thinks it's wrong to shift the moral condemnation to people who want dogs (puppies, clones or whatever) from whoever is abusing these dogs in the first place. I'm not angry when nobody wants to adopt a dog, I'm angry because somebody treated them so poorly in the first place. Owning a dog isn't a human need, so getting one just to treat it like trash -- and have it wind up in a shelter -- is disgusting.

Not to mention rescues can come with a lot of problems, physiologically and psychologically. I can understand why people might shy away.

Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by katzgrau »

kschlagel wrote: post #6

I’ve been fascinated with this since I first heard about it on NPR about a year ago. I love my dogs almost as much as my human family. In fact, I usually find myself trusting in my dogs more than other people and am that guy you see at the local dog park all the time. Point is I am the kind of person that would do this if I had the money. But i wonder how similar the dog’s personality would be to the one i loved. In…

I appreciate your love for dogs, but don't you think that cloning a dog because of your love for the original is ridiculously self-centered? It's basically creating and imposing life to satisfy one's own emotional needs. It's taking living-thing-as-property to another level.

By the way, I love my dog but kind of struggle with the ethics of simple ownership of a living thing.

Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by icebraining »

katzgrau wrote: post #27
kschlagel wrote: post #6

I’ve been fascinated with this since I first heard about it on NPR about a year ago. I love my dogs almost as much as my human family. In fact, I usually find myself trusting in my dogs more than other people and am that guy you see at the local dog park all the time. Point is I am the kind of person that would do this if I had the money. But i wonder how similar the dog’s personality would be to the one i loved. In…

I appreciate your love for dogs, but don't you think that cloning a dog because of your love for the original is ridiculously self-centered? It's basically creating and imposing life to satisfy one's own emotional needs. It's taking living-thing-as-property to another level. By the way, I love my dog but kind of struggle with the ethics of simple ownership of a living thing.

How is this different from people who own animal farms and purposefully breed them? Is it just because it's satisfying an emotional need rather an a financial one?

Re: Inside the Business of Dog Cloning

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Post by discreditable »

r_smart wrote: post #26
alonmower wrote: post #3

I have a dog, have lost dogs in the past, and understand how sad it is. But man, there are so many dogs in shelters getting killed because of overcrowding that it boggles my mind that people can be so selfishly fixated on their needs that they don't think about the costs of their decisions (suffering of the surrogate dogs, the clones that don't make it, and the disgustingly high monetary costs here). Life is full of…

I have two rescues and think it is good if people adopt more of them, but I also thinks it's wrong to shift the moral condemnation to people who want dogs (puppies, clones or whatever) from whoever is abusing these dogs in the first place. I'm not angry when nobody wants to adopt a dog, I'm angry because somebody treated them so poorly in the first place. Owning a dog isn't a human need, so getting one just to treat…

As a rescue dog owner this article made me wonder how different he could be if I had the chance to raise him with love instead of neglect. Then I realized a clone would look the same but it could be an entirely different dog otherwise.
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