In which the left now suddenly no longer supports network neutrality.
net neutrality has nothing to do with freedom or neutrality of speech online, especially in regards to a private company's terms of service.
Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are removed
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Re: Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are removed
#12The posts in question are frankly pretty awful, but this does kind of put the lie to the idea that if you don't like FaceGoogleBook's censorship you can just set up your own website.
Well, they kind of shot themselves in the foot by leaving big social media platforms... for a big server hosting platform. If they wanted to go Henry David Thoreau on the corporate internet, why didn't they buy physical equipment?
Re: Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are removed
#13In which the left now suddenly no longer supports network neutrality.
Neutrality is about the pipes, which are a natural monopoly. It has nothing to do with the users of the pipes.
Microsoft has a right to choose not to participate in broadcasting speech that it disagrees with, and the reason that's OK is because there are many other platforms for Gab to move to.
For many (most?) people, switching to a different ISP is impossible or comes with severe drawbacks.
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#14The posts in question are frankly pretty awful, but this does kind of put the lie to the idea that if you don't like FaceGoogleBook's censorship you can just set up your own website.
Well, they kind of shot themselves in the foot by leaving big social media platforms... for a big server hosting platform. If they wanted to go Henry David Thoreau on the corporate internet, why didn't they buy physical equipment?
No matter where they end up hosting they'll most likely be breaking some ToS of either their colo or ISP.
Re: Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are removed
#15The posts in question are frankly pretty awful, but this does kind of put the lie to the idea that if you don't like FaceGoogleBook's censorship you can just set up your own website.
Well, they kind of shot themselves in the foot by leaving big social media platforms... for a big server hosting platform. If they wanted to go Henry David Thoreau on the corporate internet, why didn't they buy physical equipment?
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Re: Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are removed
#16In which the left now suddenly no longer supports network neutrality.
insert picard facepalm here.
Re: Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are removed
#17The posts in question are frankly pretty awful, but this does kind of put the lie to the idea that if you don't like FaceGoogleBook's censorship you can just set up your own website.
Well, they kind of shot themselves in the foot by leaving big social media platforms... for a big server hosting platform. If they wanted to go Henry David Thoreau on the corporate internet, why didn't they buy physical equipment?
In your scenario, are the datacenters and ISPs immune to political pressure?
Re: Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are removed
#18The posts in question are frankly pretty awful, but this does kind of put the lie to the idea that if you don't like FaceGoogleBook's censorship you can just set up your own website.
Well you can host your own website on your own server.
Of course, I do wonder how far this goes. What happens if the DNS server refuses to host the IP lookup? Host your own DNS server? What if the browsers refuse to allow access to the site? Build your own browser? What if ISPs refuse to transfer the data over the wire? Make your own internet?
People have defended that this vs. Net Neutrality (at least the extent of the ability of an ISP to control what goes over its wires) as having a core difference, but it feels to me they are closer than people realize and the standards set by one can influence the other.
Re: Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are removed
#19Little's posts on Gab are awful, and Microsoft is in his rights to refuse service to anyone. However they don't have the capacity to do a fair manual triage of all the services they are hosting, and they should avoid doing it until legally constrained.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, they kind of shot themselves in the foot by leaving big social media platforms... for a big server hosting platform. If they wanted to go Henry David Thoreau on the corporate internet, why didn't they buy physical equipment?
No matter where they end up hosting they'll most likely be breaking some ToS of either their colo or ISP.
It's ToS violations all the way down