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Re: Musk’s Money Mystery Intrigues SEC

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Post by eanzenberg »

dragontamer wrote: post #48
eanzenberg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because it's not quite an opinion piece. A buyout at this massive scale would've been rumored by now by the potential suiters. The only other alternative is single-buyers who are willing to put up that much personal capital, also highly unlikely.

> Probably because it's not quite an opinion piece. Then why is it published on the "opinion" section of the website? https://i.imgur.com/qjmJqaK.png Its an opinion piece. A writer from Bloomberg offers their opinion on an issue, as opposed to the facts. Its very important to know when you're reading an opinion vs reading a journalism post. Most media (even Fox), does a decent job with the journalism pages. Its the o…

Put your money where your mouth is. Buy at $350 currently which is a steal since this thing is going to $420, right?? LUL

Re: Musk’s Money Mystery Intrigues SEC

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Post by DmenshunlAnlsis »

dang wrote: post #44

MuskMania has reached information heat death: it can generate nothing new on its own. See the thread below for a good example. Since this article doesn't supply enough new information to get us out of that state, we're treating it as a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17709543 . When significant new information arises (note: not the same thing as the next provocation), then there will be something to disc…

The article here has a lot of information that the one you linked to does not. I understand the fatigue, but this is no dupe.

Re: Musk’s Money Mystery Intrigues SEC

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Post by Tomte »

dang wrote: post #44

MuskMania has reached information heat death: it can generate nothing new on its own. See the thread below for a good example. Since this article doesn't supply enough new information to get us out of that state, we're treating it as a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17709543 . When significant new information arises (note: not the same thing as the next provocation), then there will be something to disc…

Matt Levine writes entertainingly, but in both today's and yesterday's newsletter is more information than in all the "Tesla going private" article in the last days.

Re: Musk’s Money Mystery Intrigues SEC

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Post by dragontamer »

eanzenberg wrote: post #61
dragontamer wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Probably because it's not quite an opinion piece. Then why is it published on the "opinion" section of the website? https://i.imgur.com/qjmJqaK.png Its an opinion piece. A writer from Bloomberg offers their opinion on an issue, as opposed to the facts. Its very important to know when you're reading an opinion vs reading a journalism post. Most media (even Fox), does a decent job with the journalism pages. Its the o…

Put your money where your mouth is. Buy at $350 currently which is a steal since this thing is going to $420, right?? LUL

Heh. The Tesla fanboys know me around here. I've been posting Bearish opinions on Tesla for literally years now.

That doesn't change the facts. The article here is an opinion piece. If you want facts, read this one instead: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-08/tesla-tak...

Seriously, for the betterment of EVERYBODY, you need to know what good factual articles are vs what opinion pieces look like. Hacker News is supposed to be a place where we elevate the discussion and have intelligent talk.

There is certainly a time and place for opinion pieces, but they need to be treated with the proper amount of skepticism whenever you read them.

Re: Musk’s Money Mystery Intrigues SEC

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Post by dragontamer »

dang wrote: post #44

MuskMania has reached information heat death: it can generate nothing new on its own. See the thread below for a good example. Since this article doesn't supply enough new information to get us out of that state, we're treating it as a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17709543 . When significant new information arises (note: not the same thing as the next provocation), then there will be something to disc…

@Dang: Maybe we can use the article version from Bloomberg instead?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-08/tesla-tak...

Alternate article, with actually some news on the SEC: https://www.wsj.com/articles/sec-has-made-inquiries-to-tesla...

The opinion piece only fuels Musk Mania, and I agree with you that its not a good starting point for discussion.

Re: Musk’s Money Mystery Intrigues SEC

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Post by Freestyler_3 »

eanzenberg wrote: post #40
AlexeyBrin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think it make sense to judge the entire work/life of someone by an affirmation made at some point in the past on a public forum ? From a moral point of view people are not black and white, there are infinite shades of grey in between. If you dig deep enough you will find morally questionable things in everybody's past. That being said, that tweet was a bad idea.

That's just the tip of the iceberg for Elon. He has a lot to answer for Tesla including the "self-driving" claim fiascos and all this erratic behavior. He puts video games into the center console of the Model 3 while also claiming that drivers need to pay complete attention during operation. Compared to Sergey, Besoz or Tim Cook and I'd rather have them as CEO than someone interested in "memes".

One of the reasons to go private... no shareholders that demand a bland CEO.

Re: Musk’s Money Mystery Intrigues SEC

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Post by dang »

dragontamer wrote: post #66
dang wrote: post #44

MuskMania has reached information heat death: it can generate nothing new on its own. See the thread below for a good example. Since this article doesn't supply enough new information to get us out of that state, we're treating it as a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17709543 . When significant new information arises (note: not the same thing as the next provocation), then there will be something to disc…

@Dang: Maybe we can use the article version from Bloomberg instead? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-08/tesla-tak... Alternate article, with actually some news on the SEC: https://www.wsj.com/articles/sec-has-made-inquiries-to-tesla... The opinion piece only fuels Musk Mania, and I agree with you that its not a good starting point for discussion.

Either of those articles would make a better post, if you'd care to submit one. Email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll keep an eye on it and turn off flags if the discussion is substantive.

Normally we'd change the URL on this submission, but this thread is past redemption.

Re: Musk’s Money Mystery Intrigues SEC

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Post by dang »

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #57
dang wrote: post #44

MuskMania has reached information heat death: it can generate nothing new on its own. See the thread below for a good example. Since this article doesn't supply enough new information to get us out of that state, we're treating it as a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17709543 . When significant new information arises (note: not the same thing as the next provocation), then there will be something to disc…

I feel this is a questionable call. The SEC questioning Tesla is in my opinion a pretty significant development. Also, I think this was the only Tesla article on the front page - not exactly a mania ...

The mania isn't in having more than one article on the front page at a time (though that happened repeatedly yesterday). It's in rehashing the same cartoonish argument over and over. Elon is a superhero! vs. no way he's a supervillain!

That monster has been bred, of course, by the hyper feedback loop between Musk and the media. A hyperloop, you might call it. But we've passed the point at which it's all noise. Our kingdom for some signal.

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