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Chemists discover how blue light speeds blindness

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Re: Chemists discover how blue light speeds blindness

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I wear computer glasses at all times when working, and highly recommend them. It greatly reduces eye strain, and filters blue light. If anyone is looking for a good pair, I buy mine from Gunnar [0] (no affiliation). [0] https://gunnar.com/

if you need prescription versions, you can get them at LensCrafters: https://www.lenscrafters.com/lc-us/blueiq-lenses

I use those and they work wonders.

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I've been using F.lux for over seven years. Advantages… - You have a great deal of control over the blue level. Night Shift's blue level is higher than F.lux's default, and not adjustable. - Flux transitions more naturally as the sun goes down. - More scheduling options, "disable until tomorrow". - the big one: disabling per-app or for full-screen apps. You probably don't want Flux on while watching a movie or bingin…

- Night Shift is disabled for external displays. That's another killer one.

I use Night Shift on my external 4K LG monitor no problem.

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Because of the way your eyes work. If it is bright, your pupil will be shrunk, to not be blinded by the luminosity. When it is dark, your pupil will be opened wide up. It is this principle that camera apertures are based on. Now if you have your pupil wide open in a completely dark environment and put a 100% brightness screen at ~10cm of your eyes, what do you expect will happen ? Our eyes are made for nature, that m…

Hmm. If I've been in the dark for a while and then pick up my phone, the brightness hurts my eyes for a moment until they adjust to it. When I put the phone down, it takes a moment before I begin to be able to see things in the dark room. Doesn't that indicate that my pupils were initially dilated in the darkness and then constricted when I began looking at my bright phone? I wonder how significant the difference is…

get some IR leds and illuminate your face and take a selfie in the dark looking at your phone using the front camera.

The back camera usually has an IR blocking filter, but often the front camera does not. You can check by videoing an IR led (like from a remote control) with the front camera and seeing if you can pick up the flashing when you activate it.

Re: Chemists discover how blue light speeds blindness

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In addition to f.lux, I also use the Dark Reader Chrome extension[1], which dynamically generates dark themes for every page you visit. It seems to make a bigger difference than using f.lux. 1. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dark-reader/eimadp...

Thanks for sharing! I did not know about this. I use Stylus and dark themes for many sites, but this will be great for random sites. https://add0n.com/stylus.html

Re: Chemists discover how blue light speeds blindness

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I've been using F.lux for over seven years. Advantages… - You have a great deal of control over the blue level. Night Shift's blue level is higher than F.lux's default, and not adjustable. - Flux transitions more naturally as the sun goes down. - More scheduling options, "disable until tomorrow". - the big one: disabling per-app or for full-screen apps. You probably don't want Flux on while watching a movie or bingin…

- Night Shift is disabled for external displays. That's another killer one.

NightShift absolutely works on external displays

Re: Chemists discover how blue light speeds blindness

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f.lux author here, still slogging through the article. It is hard to understand the light levels used because they use "power" (uW, mW) from a laser, and not "irradiance" (uW/cm^2 or mW/cm^2), so which area they have concentrated that light over is hard to understand. All I can see is it is from a laser, so the irradiance could be extremely high.

The human lens filters most light at the peak of the given spectrum for free retinal (383nm), and so once you get to 450nm like an LED, the hazard data in the visual range is 100x less sensitive, see Fig 1 here:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1751-1097....

It bears repeating that computer screens have Not sure the conversion to white light is correct, and it is unclear to me right now if this much retinal is available in vivo.

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Do you wear glasses? Have you tried an iPad Pro with 120Hz refresh + Night Shift? How much ambient light do you have when using the computer? Is the ambient light natural or artificial? If artificial, what spectrum/type?

Sorry I updated the post as I knew I would leave some things out as I am a mental wreck and this is long and complicated. I don't wear glasses. I have monovision from Lasik done 20 years ago and am starting to have presbyopia in the distance eye but it doesn't cause issues with CCFL displays or reading or anything else. I just have aapprox 3" window 10-12" from my face where neither eye is focusing well but displays…

Can you be more specific about "severe eyestrain"? E.g. if there is pain, where? Eyes dry, red? Difficulty focusing? Peripheral vision? Have you had an eye exam when the strain is present? When the strain is present, what happens if you switch to reading paper? Or switch to distance vision, e.g. looking out the window? How long does it take to recover from the strain when reading or looking into the distance?

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We have chemical receptors on our tongue and in our nose for poisons. We have neurons that detect pain. Just because we can sense it doesn't mean it's not harmful.

But those receptors signal something unpleasant - a terrible taste, pain. Looking at blue doesn't cause pain or unpleasantness.

I don't think your argument holds. Case in point: it is possible to make poison tasty.

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I'm in the process of building a Philips Hue-compatible light therapy LED strip that goes above my bed, and I chose 500 nm cyan LEDs due to this concern. The goal is to have the lights gradually wake me up every morning and help align my sleep cycles, as I suffer from Delayed Phase Sleep Disorder. Figure 3[0] in the paper seems to show that 500 nm is safe, and that melanopsin has high absorption at 500nm, which has i…

Do you have a spectral output chart for those LEDs? You might be surprised how much blue is still in the output.

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"The researcher found that a molecule called alpha tocoferol, a Vitamin E derivative and a natural antioxidant in the eye and body, stops the cells from dying. However, as a person ages or the immune system is suppressed, people lose the ability to fight against the attack by retinal and blue light."

Does this mean that consuming alpha tocoferol can combat the toxic effect of blue light? If so, at what dosage?

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