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Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

#101

Post by superchink »

deno wrote: post #41
eertami wrote: post #4

If you're looking for a high quality cherry switched keyboard, Das was already company you wanted to avoid - and now possibly even moreso. Das is definitely a "brand over product" company and the market is flooded with much better alternatives, eg Leopold, Varmilo, IKBC, Vortex, Filco, etc.

There’s nothing high quality about Cherry switches. They’re just popular because literally no one else makes cheap linear “gaming” switches. For actual typing there are vastly superior choices. In descending order: Buckling springs (used or new[1]), used Alps (for 5$ in your nearest thrift shop or for 50$-150$ on ebay) or even brand new Matias switches[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A-vRZth7SI [2] https://w…

While I won't take away from your opinion, I want to warn others to be aware that this is a hotly debated topic, and YMMV.

There's no accounting for preference when it comes to switches or keyboards. Some people quite like Cherry switches.

Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

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Post by ajryan »

deno wrote: post #41
eertami wrote: post #4

If you're looking for a high quality cherry switched keyboard, Das was already company you wanted to avoid - and now possibly even moreso. Das is definitely a "brand over product" company and the market is flooded with much better alternatives, eg Leopold, Varmilo, IKBC, Vortex, Filco, etc.

There’s nothing high quality about Cherry switches. They’re just popular because literally no one else makes cheap linear “gaming” switches. For actual typing there are vastly superior choices. In descending order: Buckling springs (used or new[1]), used Alps (for 5$ in your nearest thrift shop or for 50$-150$ on ebay) or even brand new Matias switches[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A-vRZth7SI [2] https://w…

I think they meant "high-quality cherry-switched keyboard," referring to the quality of the keyboard, not the switches.

Regardless, Cherry switches are absolutely high quality - they are manufactured out of premium materials to tight specifications.

You may not prefer their feel for your purposes, but as others have said, that's a different story.

Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

#103

Post by ajryan »

deno wrote: post #59
slezyr wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They’re just popular because literally no one else makes cheap linear “gaming” switches. Gateron, Kailh, etc. there are plenty producers of all kind of switches.

Both of those are clones[1] of Cherry. [1] https://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Clones_of_Cherry_MX_sw...

You said "no one else makes" them...

Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

#105

Post by nkristoffersen »

I bought a Das keyboard for a friend. A year later with very little use, the keys stopped responding as expected and I was SOL with a shit product and no support from the company. I was disappointed since it was a pricey gift, but lesson learned.

Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

#106

Post by deno »

ajryan wrote: post #103
deno wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both of those are clones[1] of Cherry. [1] https://deskthority.net/wiki/Category:Clones_of_Cherry_MX_sw...

You said "no one else makes" them...

You’re right. I really just meant to say they are popular because of their ubiquity in gaming keyboards. That’s the biggest market for premium keyboards.

You can buy all kind of pretty keycaps for them, which is what “gamers” care about.

Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

#107

Post by megaman22 »

jdietrich wrote: post #74
ericdykstra wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll throw my support for Filco here. I've been using the same Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless with Cherry Browns as my only home keyboard for 10 years, and it's as good as it was on the day I bought it. Absolutely fantastic build quality.

There are other, possibly better options if you want Topre switches - the Leopold FC660M, the HHKB Professional and the Cooler Master Novatouch. The latter has the advantage of using Cherry MX compatible stems, if you ever want to change the keycaps. Personally, I'm of the opinion that even tenkeyless keyboards are too wide for most right-handed users - unless you're very broad-shouldered, you'll either have to skew…

If you do have broad shoulders however, narrower keyboards are rather painful to use. Right now, I'm using a Logitech G710+, which is a full-sized IBM-syle keyboard, with an extra row of garbage buttons on the left side. If my left hand is in line so it is comfortable and inline with my shoulder while on the asdf keys, my right hand wants to be half off the right side of the numpad. Makes typing left-handed and mousing right-handed very comfortable, but typing with both hands on the homerow somewhat cramped. It'd be interesting to try a keyboard that had the keys split apart so that asdf was in line with one shoulder and jkl; in line with the other.

Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

#108

Post by [deleted] »

ajryan wrote: post #102
deno wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s nothing high quality about Cherry switches. They’re just popular because literally no one else makes cheap linear “gaming” switches. For actual typing there are vastly superior choices. In descending order: Buckling springs (used or new[1]), used Alps (for 5$ in your nearest thrift shop or for 50$-150$ on ebay) or even brand new Matias switches[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A-vRZth7SI [2] https://w…

I think they meant "high-quality cherry-switched keyboard," referring to the quality of the keyboard, not the switches. Regardless, Cherry switches are absolutely high quality - they are manufactured out of premium materials to tight specifications. You may not prefer their feel for your purposes, but as others have said, that's a different story.

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Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

#109

Post by deno »

superchink wrote: post #101
deno wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s nothing high quality about Cherry switches. They’re just popular because literally no one else makes cheap linear “gaming” switches. For actual typing there are vastly superior choices. In descending order: Buckling springs (used or new[1]), used Alps (for 5$ in your nearest thrift shop or for 50$-150$ on ebay) or even brand new Matias switches[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A-vRZth7SI [2] https://w…

While I won't take away from your opinion, I want to warn others to be aware that this is a hotly debated topic, and YMMV. There's no accounting for preference when it comes to switches or keyboards. Some people quite like Cherry switches.

Cherry switches sound and feel like they have sand in them. In fact if I put actual sand or dirt into my white Alps keyboard it will sound and feel like that. The only exception are blue MX which somehow manage to perfectly replicate the nerve twisting experience of nails scratching on a chalkboard.

I refuse to believe there’s anyone that actually prefers Cherry switches. Most people just don’t realize there are better options.

Re: User banned from Das Keyboard forums for telling people of open-source drivers

#110

Post by jdietrich »

megaman22 wrote: post #107
jdietrich wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are other, possibly better options if you want Topre switches - the Leopold FC660M, the HHKB Professional and the Cooler Master Novatouch. The latter has the advantage of using Cherry MX compatible stems, if you ever want to change the keycaps. Personally, I'm of the opinion that even tenkeyless keyboards are too wide for most right-handed users - unless you're very broad-shouldered, you'll either have to skew…

If you do have broad shoulders however, narrower keyboards are rather painful to use. Right now, I'm using a Logitech G710+, which is a full-sized IBM-syle keyboard, with an extra row of garbage buttons on the left side. If my left hand is in line so it is comfortable and inline with my shoulder while on the asdf keys, my right hand wants to be half off the right side of the numpad. Makes typing left-handed and mousi…

A split keyboard would be a very good idea.

https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/comfortable-ergo-keyboard/

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