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2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by geirr »

ars wrote: post #2

Is the linked website real? "Photo: Wikidemia Commons" ?? This link may be more informative: http://news.google.com/news/more?ncl=dbvIvqx2eu3bnMMiDfa9ho_... China is going to be really mad! I hope they don't harm him for this. I guess the world is watching - now, but later? And secret less noticeable stuff? Anyone know if he agreed to accept the prize?

According to Norwegian newspapers, he probably doesn't even know that he was nominated. The Nobel Institute have asked the Chinese government to tell Liu Xiaobo about the prize.

Liu Xiaobos wife says the Chinese police have allowed her to tell her husband about the prize on Saturday.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by [deleted] »

dagw wrote: post #10
ars wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't the spelling mistake, it was the complete lack of content. I would expect more of a writeup of why they they are giving it to him, etc, etc. The spelling mistake really caught my eye though - it just seemed unprofessional. It's just not what you expect when you hear "Nobel prize".

The peace prize is awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, and not the 'normal' Nobel Institute. The official site for the peace prize is at nobelpeaceprize.org and the official announcement is at http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/announce-2010/

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Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by geirr »

lovskogen wrote: post #9
sasvari wrote: post #8

It will be interesting to see whether China is going to follow through with their threat to downgrade their political relations with Norway now.

Could you elaborate? I live in Norway, but isn't known to the China-Norway political relations.

Norway started negotiating with China about a new trade policy in 2008. This was going well, and Norway might have been the first European country to get such a deal.

According to Norwegian newspapers, it is now a great risk that China cancels the negotiations.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by garply »

sasvari wrote: post #14
superos wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an award given by the Norwegian government. It is given by the independent Norwegian Nobel Committee. If the means anything for the chinese I don't know, but it is a huge difference with regard to the two countries political relations.

Chinese foreign policy is not always following rational paths in regard to Western standards. And this constellation is exactly why I wonder if they make their threat true or not.

As a Westerner intimately familiar with China (live and work here, Master's in Chinese), I find Chinese foreign policy exceptionally rational, if Machiavellian (for examples, I would point to their behavior towards North Korea and their currency policy).

What do you find irrational about Chinese foreign policy?

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by henrikschroder »

ars wrote: post #7
user24 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think one spleling mistake is enough to condemn a site as fake. It's clearly legitimate; highest rank on google for "nobel", listed on wikipedia as the official site, etc etc etc

It wasn't the spelling mistake, it was the complete lack of content. I would expect more of a writeup of why they they are giving it to him, etc, etc. The spelling mistake really caught my eye though - it just seemed unprofessional. It's just not what you expect when you hear "Nobel prize".

What do you mean lack of content? Here's the press release: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2010/pres...

Here's the video of the announcement: http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=1373

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by arethuza »

geirr wrote: post #23
lovskogen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate? I live in Norway, but isn't known to the China-Norway political relations.

Norway started negotiating with China about a new trade policy in 2008. This was going well, and Norway might have been the first European country to get such a deal. According to Norwegian newspapers, it is now a great risk that China cancels the negotiations.

Presumably Norway is one of the few countries that doesn't have to worry too much about upsetting the Chinese - they have huge amounts of money and oil and Russia in between them and the Chinese.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by hugh3 »

sbt wrote: post #18

I don't think the Nobel committee has ever given out the price without having been slammed by someone or some government. The price is political so it's no wonder. Apparently, Chinese foreign affairs has already stated that this may damage Chinese-Norwegian relations (sorry no citation). Of course, equating the Nobel committee with the Norwegian government is as wrong as equating a newspaper editor printing Islamic c…

Of course, equating the Nobel committee with the Norwegian government is as wrong as equating a newspaper editor printing Islamic cartoons with it, then torching down an embassy.

Strictly speaking it's as wrong as the first part, the torching-an-embassy bit is a whole new level of wrong.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by hugh3 »

garply wrote: post #24
sasvari wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese foreign policy is not always following rational paths in regard to Western standards. And this constellation is exactly why I wonder if they make their threat true or not.

As a Westerner intimately familiar with China (live and work here, Master's in Chinese), I find Chinese foreign policy exceptionally rational, if Machiavellian (for examples, I would point to their behavior towards North Korea and their currency policy). What do you find irrational about Chinese foreign policy?

Ah, we're working on two different levels of rationality. Irrational threats ("If you walk on my lawn I will rape your dog") are nonetheless a rational policy (your lawn won't get walked upon).
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