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Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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Alex isn't wrong. But I don't think it's blockchain. It's decentralization in general. For example, I want to release a tool that can mod old ROMs. I cannot legally sell this. This is a new idea, I'd like to make a living with it, but I can't. And why not? Because the concept of IP has turned us into servants. Meanwhile you have youtube series like Freeman's Mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SQhfkpX9bc making a k…

Maybe those "fucked" artists should invent their own characters. You know, being creative instead of copying other people's ideas.

Good artists create. Great artists steal.

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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I really wish social media would "peak" to towards meeting people in real life semi-spontaneously. No profiles, no media uploads, no digital showboating. The best relationships I have with other people fall in this category. Real life,common interests,no digital uploads. Just add attributes of your geolocation and hobbies [biking, yoga,tensorflow,etc] or let it crawl your digital profile(s) to autobuild your attribut…

We seem to be on the same wavelength. I might be giving up a viable idea here, but for a while I've been thinking about a sort of hybrid between Meetup and online multiplayer matchmaking where groups of people can meet up and do stuff without the need for an actual organizer.

Here's how I envision it:

- A user joins and provides a materials used to perform a background check.

- People with accounts sign in and are automatically grouped based on distance, interests, etc.

- Users cannot see who is in groups until they join one. This should help prevent people from backing out of matching because being lazy and skip over lots of people they don't like for minor superficial reasons. In other words, if you don't like fat people, guys who aren't cute, women who aren't hot, etc., you can't game the system without being punished. If a person really doesn't like someone they've met, they can set it to never put them in a group with that person again.

- Once a sufficiently-sized group has been formed(let's say between 6 and 8 people), they are given a time-limited choice between a list of activities. These activities can be autogenerated and evergreen(e.g. go see a movie, bowling, eat dinner, etc.) or be brought in from a list of actual events happening in the area(e.g. comedy shows, local bands, group painting classes, etc.). If consensus is not reached in 10 minutes, a random activity is picked.

- Once a group has formed, you can still back out but it will drastically deprioritize you in future meetups until you have actually attended enough of them that you appear reliable.

- When a group meets up, the app pops up with a unique QR code for the user. Each person in the group should scan each other's QR codes to verify that not only they showed up but that others showed up. This can be cross-checked with GPS proximity and motion, in case a user ever claims that the QR scan "doesn't work". By having your QR code scanned, you make yourself more likely to be grouped faster in the future, be given more interesting events, and be grouped with fewer flaky individuals.

I feel like there must be a reason why nobody has done something like this yet, especially since there's already an algorithmic model for this in games like Halo. Maybe autogeneration of meetups exposes a company to liability?

One thing I want to avoid, which is a part of your idea, is the notion of having users rate each other. I think that can lead to a lot of abuse and isn't really fair. I can only picture people downrating others because they are Jews or "she wasn't that hot". It would be much better to have a system where people are only judged on whether they show up(people are flakes) and if they have been reported for being creepy or worse.

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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Does HN qualify as "social media"? We are not anywhere near "Peak Social Media". Otherwise investor valuations would not be what they are. Even discounting they can predict the future, Zuck hasn't even got started on his VR/AR "ready player 1" social network dream yet, decentralized social media hasn't had its try for the title yet, and the non-social big 5 are still waiting for FB weakness for their chance to strike…

> Does HN qualify as "social media"?

Here is a good discussion about how academics who research the Internet define social media:

https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/ZZCAfWipRjCjvC9ZzbLf1w/air-def...

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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> with new technologies are going to come novel and compelling forms of social interaction. What, Web 3.0 will come with booze? While I am entertained by social media, I can't remember the last time I actually interacted with anyone in a substantive way. I'd much rather hit the bar and admit to myself that social media isn't very social.

> Web 1.0 lets individuals create and express ideas > Web 2.0 lets groups create and express ideas > Web 3.0 lets societies create and express ideas It's blockchain. Blockchain is what gets us from web 2.0 to web 3.0. The technology is almost here, and after another few years of basic R&D the stuff we're going to be able to start building is going to transform society in ways that are barely even imaginable today.

Name some problem that blockchain solves that isn't already solved, other than "make illicit financial transactions".

I'll wait.

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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post #79
post #27

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Could you explain exactly how blockchains allow societies to create ideas? I'm not sure how append only lists allow idea sharing in ways a database does not.

It's also a way of doing leaderless agreement about distributed platforms in low-trust environments. I'm no blockchain fanatic, bit ISTM that a decentralised discussion board could require the spending of tokens to make posts. The market should hopefully make the tokens of desirable communities more expensive, which discourages cheap, low-effort posts. AFAICT, before blockchain you could have decentralisation or paid…

I cannot envision myself joining a community like the one you described unless the utility of the community was very high. I do not think that paid posting will improve the average utility of a community, but I am open to examples showing I am incorrect.

The best publications pay people to write for them, not the other way around.

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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post #27

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Could you explain exactly how blockchains allow societies to create ideas? I'm not sure how append only lists allow idea sharing in ways a database does not.

> I'm not sure how append only lists allow idea sharing in ways a database does not. So at the software developer level of the stack, what we get are new tools for managing reputation, identity, authentication, transparency, accountability, etc. If you think of people as a graph of nodes, these tools enable novel patterns of trust and collaboration between individuals that aren't possible today. What this means is th…

> Because blockchain reduces the costs of double entry accounting by 10,000x [...]

Wat.

There is no aspect of double entry bookkeeping that would lead to a cost reduction when combined with blockchains, even less a reduction of an order of magnitude (or four!).

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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I really wish social media would "peak" to towards meeting people in real life semi-spontaneously. No profiles, no media uploads, no digital showboating. The best relationships I have with other people fall in this category. Real life,common interests,no digital uploads. Just add attributes of your geolocation and hobbies [biking, yoga,tensorflow,etc] or let it crawl your digital profile(s) to autobuild your attribut…

This does seem like a powerful idea. The problem of networking friends, family, and co-workers has more or less been solved, but the problem of putting together complete strangers with shared interests and coincident physical locality really hasn't even been attacked except in very constrained use cases (i.e., dating services). It's possible that the next big wave of social networks will be less "Facebook" and more "…

That's not entirely true (your first point). Both my wife & I have met all sorts of acquaintances and what became good friends through interests that started with coincident physical locality: gyms, clubs, church, children's sports & school, etc. I don't think the problem exists completely in the way you seem to think. One potential mental block could be that spontaneity is a key piece of the equation. I argue that the vast majority of humans are not spontaneous and that's a hugely overrated attribute, if so.

I 100% agree with your second statement, though, that the future of social networks will focus more on the social and less on the spam & social signaling.

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain exactly how blockchains allow societies to create ideas? I'm not sure how append only lists allow idea sharing in ways a database does not.

> I'm not sure how append only lists allow idea sharing in ways a database does not. So at the software developer level of the stack, what we get are new tools for managing reputation, identity, authentication, transparency, accountability, etc. If you think of people as a graph of nodes, these tools enable novel patterns of trust and collaboration between individuals that aren't possible today. What this means is th…

> If you think of people as a graph of nodes, these tools enable novel patterns of trust and collaboration between individuals that aren't possible today. What this means is that every institution will ultimately have to reimagine itself so as to be cost competitive in the new paradigm, HT Carlota Perez.

That is a logical fallacy. Every new dna mutation is 'novel' and some mutations are even solutions to real problems, but not every novel solution is the most competitive. Just because blockchain gives you new tools that solve problems doesn't mean it is the best way to solve that problem. (EDIT: To defend your statement you have the burden of proof to show that your paradigm is significantly more competitive than current paradigms. I suspect time will prove me correct.)

> when you can just run a simple Python script to analyze the contents of all that debt and get updates on payments in real time, suddenly those types of systematic market failures can no longer happen

There are many, many factors that went into The Great Rescission. Repackaging subprime mortgages was bad for investors. Maybe python could have helped that by giving investors better insight into what they were buying. The housing market declined, fundamentally, because many families were unable to pay their mortgages. Python wouldn't have helped people be able to pay their mortgage.

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alex isn't wrong. But I don't think it's blockchain. It's decentralization in general. For example, I want to release a tool that can mod old ROMs. I cannot legally sell this. This is a new idea, I'd like to make a living with it, but I can't. And why not? Because the concept of IP has turned us into servants. Meanwhile you have youtube series like Freeman's Mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SQhfkpX9bc making a k…

Maybe those "fucked" artists should invent their own characters. You know, being creative instead of copying other people's ideas.

This is a ridiculous idea, that falls apart with even cursory scrutiny. For a trivial example, almost all of Shakespeare's plays were amalgamations of other people's plays or were based on other people's stories (Hamlet, for instance, was a retelling of a 16th century version of the 13th century Scandinavian legend of Amleth).

Would you argue that Shakespeare was not creative? Or is it possible that stories are based on the culture of a society, and the culture of a society is based on the stories told -- meaning that any story can be argued to be a copy of another person's idea.

Re: Snap’s Drop in Active Users Could Signal a Social Media Peak

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post #80

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Maybe those "fucked" artists should invent their own characters. You know, being creative instead of copying other people's ideas.

Being creative and copying ideas are not mutually exclusive. For instance, I love the harry potter universe. I just happen to think that JK Rowling is a terrible writer. I would pay hundreds of dollars for quality fan fiction, ideally licensed or legal. There’s really no mechanism for any human on the planet to tell a story in this universe and widely distribute it legally. Arguably this is more of an issue with copy…

Just a small nitpick, there is no such thing as "IP law". There are copyright laws, trademark laws, and patent laws. All of them have different rules and regulations, and the only thing some people think they have in common is that they (in some fashion) "regulate ideas" with small differences in their application. This is simply not an accurate view of such laws, and ends up muddying the waters by making the clear differences between such laws seem unclear (I'm not saying that you are guilty of doing this intentionally -- it is a very common misconception that is spread because the copyright lobby in the US intentionally tries to muddy the waters so that discussions of reform get squashed).

Always refer to copyright laws as "copyright laws", trademark laws as "trademark laws", and so on.

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