False Advertising for College Is Pretty Much the Norm
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#2This is at least congruent with my own experience on the provider side of the college equation; perhaps most interesting to me is the extent to which the grad school side is amiss: https://jakeseliger.com/2012/05/22/what-you-should-know-befo....
It does seem like the current system cannot go on forever.
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#3It would be interesting for someone to perform such a study in the UK, which already has a near-perfect and near-complete data set of which schools made an offer to each student.
You wouldn't even need any data from the universities themselves:
- UCAS has the data for university offers and admissions (including subject studied)
- HMRC (UK equivalent of IRS) knows whether you were employed and how much you earned
If they were somehow allowed to join their data and then release a data set stripped of PII, which includes offers, acceptances and income over time, that would be super-useful for those who see choosing a university as primarily or partially a way to increase their future income.
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#4I taught college for about a dozen years (part time on the side), and may get dragged back into again soon.
I can say emphatically, the quality of the schooling only helps people who would succeed anyways. Those that won't or can't, no school can help them. There are just too many lazy, unmotivated or simple defeatist students out there. To not be too harsh, there are many students over their head in life (debts, relationship or mental issues, etc...), also which a school can do little to help with.
Nothing proved this to me more than seeing half the class not turn in the easiest assignments.
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#5"Just because you got in doesn't mean that you should go". With the amount of high school students being prepared nearly around the clock to gain admission into college, there looks to be a great deal of FOMO. From parents to students to possibly school administrations. Not many stop to question is the student themselves ready for College or will they wash out with tons of debt?
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#6I taught college for about a dozen years (part time on the side), and may get dragged back into again soon. I can say emphatically, the quality of the schooling only helps people who would succeed anyways. Those that won't or can't, no school can help them. There are just too many lazy, unmotivated or simple defeatist students out there. To not be too harsh, there are many students over their head in life (debts, rel…
It was noticed that those who were in more higher education went on to achieve more success later in life (where success is often more income, but obviously many other things too). Over time some inferred causality from this: clearly the reason why some were successful was because they had a degree or even a masters or PhD. Thus in order to encourage success, it was decided that higher education should be strongly recommended as a means to achieve success.
But what was not considered was that the causality here could be incorrect, instead showing us that people with traits optimized for success in life chose to enroll in higher education to use the additional knowledge and experience as a catalyst for their success (or they just otherwise loved academia or learning).
Due to the extent of which this first hypothesis was treated as a fact, we are left with a system that attempts to reinforce it at many levels of society, ignoring the large cost that it takes.
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#7I taught college for about a dozen years (part time on the side), and may get dragged back into again soon. I can say emphatically, the quality of the schooling only helps people who would succeed anyways. Those that won't or can't, no school can help them. There are just too many lazy, unmotivated or simple defeatist students out there. To not be too harsh, there are many students over their head in life (debts, rel…
Where did you teach? I ask because I'm curious if that perspective is accurate at all types of post-secondary institutions, or if there is a difference between for-profits, private schools, community colleges, state schools, Ivy League, etc.
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#8I taught college for about a dozen years (part time on the side), and may get dragged back into again soon. I can say emphatically, the quality of the schooling only helps people who would succeed anyways. Those that won't or can't, no school can help them. There are just too many lazy, unmotivated or simple defeatist students out there. To not be too harsh, there are many students over their head in life (debts, rel…
A lot of debate about education forgets that roughly half of public university students wash out. Graduation is a real accomplishment that sets you apart from many others who had the same opportunity and access.
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#9I taught college for about a dozen years (part time on the side), and may get dragged back into again soon. I can say emphatically, the quality of the schooling only helps people who would succeed anyways. Those that won't or can't, no school can help them. There are just too many lazy, unmotivated or simple defeatist students out there. To not be too harsh, there are many students over their head in life (debts, rel…
Where did you teach? I ask because I'm curious if that perspective is accurate at all types of post-secondary institutions, or if there is a difference between for-profits, private schools, community colleges, state schools, Ivy League, etc.
Elite institutions mostly filter these students out in the admissions process.
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#10I taught college for about a dozen years (part time on the side), and may get dragged back into again soon. I can say emphatically, the quality of the schooling only helps people who would succeed anyways. Those that won't or can't, no school can help them. There are just too many lazy, unmotivated or simple defeatist students out there. To not be too harsh, there are many students over their head in life (debts, rel…
It was noticed that those who were in more higher education went on to achieve more success later in life (where success is often more income, but obviously many other things too). Over time some inferred causality from this: clearly the reason why some were successful was because they had a degree or even a masters or PhD. Thus in order to encourage success, it was decided that higher education should be strongly re…
Same thing happened when someone noticed a correlation between successful kids and kids who have books at home.
Someone ordered that every household should have books at home while failing to realize that correlation != causation…