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Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Ug, never proposals for education, grants for preferred alternative implementations, publicly funded communication platforms, recognition that the status quo is people's preference, data transparency encouragement (not user transparency...not "who", but "what" wrt internal analytics), enforcement of existing advertisement/fraud/collusion statutes, etc. The first step always has to be more legislation, very sad. I'd a…

Of course they won’t propose those other things (which would require “more legislation” too fwiw).

This move reinforces the location of the goal posts that define what is “acceptable discourse.” Along with supporting unfettered corporate control of the means of production. The economy must run on big business and nothing else, amirite?

All those other things will undermine them.

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post #38

I think the faster we make companies liable for the content on their servers the better. Why? Because I want distributed/federated data to become an actual priority to these companies. I want it to hit their bottom line when they get sued for content uploaded to their servers so they consider keeping the data owned by the user who generated it.

I’ve been working on that. It’s a hard problem, but emule works quite well. I propose something based on that: when you start a program, you advertise all the sha256’s of all the files you share. Whenever you need a resource, you send a request to the dht for its sha256. Anyone who has the file will opportunistically try to send it to you. Since it’s a dht, there’s nothing to take down. And since it operates on sha25…

Check out Dat: https://datproject.org/

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I doubt this would help. Judging by my Facebook feed Americans are perfectly capable of vicious, polarized discourse without foreign influence. In fact this may backfire as it would allow the hateful in society to have more of a right to preach on these platforms as no one would be able to accuse them of being foreign trolls. Its probable that this level of discourse is here to stay and that the previous elevated, co…

It is probably a job for the next generation rather than this one; this generation wasn't ready for this boom of communication we are living in; all these social platforms where created for the economical benefit of their creators (FB, twitter) and not any sort of societal benefit; so yeah I think that the solution must start from early school years where children should be taught to doubt all sources of information -internet and peers alike-, investigate better, know that extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, they should also learn to discuss important topics with people with completely opposite views and to stay calm while doing so. A world where a black kid can discuss with a nazi kid about racism and neither of them lose their heads over it (just as an extreme unlikely example to state my point).

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Ah yes - empower politicians with regulatory powers, and expect them to not use it to their advantage while in power. Lest we forget, everything from gerrymandering to supposedly non-partisan agencies like the FCC have taken giant craps on the general public, and sided with the party in power.

Hopefully, this never becomes law

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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I think the faster we make companies liable for the content on their servers the better. Why? Because I want distributed/federated data to become an actual priority to these companies. I want it to hit their bottom line when they get sued for content uploaded to their servers so they consider keeping the data owned by the user who generated it.

Surely you realize that making data a liability reduces the ability for you and I to host it, not increases it. I understand you are against centralization of data, but you can't magically commoditize and distribute it via punishments. You'll only strengthen those that can take a hit. While it seems mathematically logical to say "well, if we make it less financially beneficial to have data, they won't have it" what h…

Yeah I don't want to be hosting data I have not vetted either. I think being aware of the content any device you own is serving on the net is a good thing, even if it reduces the amount of people willing to do it for others.

TBQH if small companies cannot host user data that is good too. It should be very difficult for companies of any size to house data they are not willing to defend legally.

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Online discourse has been the wild west since Usenet. This was alright 10 years ago, back when it only mostly a certain kind of person accessing the internet. Now social media more accurately reflects the world demographics. I've long believed some government-issued, OpenID-like identity platform would go a long way to enable a lot of other online activities (like voting), but saying government will do a better job s…

I've always wanted something like the (inter)Nets of Ender's Game... minus that particular US government.

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely you realize that making data a liability reduces the ability for you and I to host it, not increases it. I understand you are against centralization of data, but you can't magically commoditize and distribute it via punishments. You'll only strengthen those that can take a hit. While it seems mathematically logical to say "well, if we make it less financially beneficial to have data, they won't have it" what h…

Yeah I don't want to be hosting data I have not vetted either. I think being aware of the content any device you own is serving on the net is a good thing, even if it reduces the amount of people willing to do it for others. TBQH if small companies cannot host user data that is good too. It should be very difficult for companies of any size to house data they are not willing to defend legally.

Also, I am quite aware of how disruptive this ideal would be to most of our current large internet companies. I don't think it will realistically change any time soon, and am sure it would have side effects which would have to be balanced. But the direction we are headed now seems much worse to me than the alternatives.

Re: Leaked white paper proposes U.S. Congressional regulation of social media

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post #15

I doubt this would help. Judging by my Facebook feed Americans are perfectly capable of vicious, polarized discourse without foreign influence. In fact this may backfire as it would allow the hateful in society to have more of a right to preach on these platforms as no one would be able to accuse them of being foreign trolls. Its probable that this level of discourse is here to stay and that the previous elevated, co…

Judging by my Facebook feed Americans are perfectly capable of vicious, polarized discourse without foreign influence. It's gotten quite bad in the U.S. Common political discourse has devolved into a back and forth of insults, hyperbolic accusations, and sometimes just plain insanity. I agree with you that this will probably be something that will last a while. If only we could get people to realize that believing so…

> How do you have a discussion with someone who believes the political equivalent of a flat Earth?

How can you decide if someone is the political equivalent of a flat Earther unless you actually attempt to have a discussion with them? All I really see online is people trying to collect the most virtual points (retweets and likes) within their own echo chamber rather than actually discuss things with people.

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