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Re: Upwork Freelancers Who Want Guaranteed Pay Have to Opt in to Tracking Software

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Run the tracker in a virtual machine running locally. Run your “work” apps in that vm. This is so stupid.

This is what I was planning to do when I landed my client but they trust me and enabled the option to log "manual hours".

I don't trust UpWork anymore than I trust PayPal so as far "guaranteed" hours are concerned it doesn't matter - I withdraw my funds every week.

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Anybody who dealt with upwork knows perfectly well that "guaranteed" ... there is nothing guaranteed with these systems. And in my experience, the people wanting more control want it because they know that they themselves would, given the chance, betray the trust. If someone demands this happen, you can bet they're looking to exploit you. You don't want to work for these people, you don't want to touch them with a 10…

I worked at a company with multiple teams doing basically the same job at multiple sites. The guys out in CA were always talking on the conference calls about the metrics being gamed by some other sites. It was all blame and innuendo with these jerks. Their numbers weren't as good as other sites (despite being paid substantially more than anyone else).

Finally the guys in CA got their wish and a stupid amount of energy was put into finding who might be gaming the system..... it turned out to be the people who worked for the guys in CA... their own direct reports.

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#23
Not to shamelessly plug, but this Upwork monolith (and the general sub-optimized gig economy right now) is harmful not just for the freelancers themselves, but also the clients (from a price optimization perspective).

We're trying to solve it with a blind marketplace model at ContentFly (http://contentfly.co/)

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#24
I don't think this is a bad idea at all. Micro-work should be tracked for both the worker and client's sake. Paying hourly is highly inefficient as we all know it's very difficult to work every second of an hour. So if something could more precisely track how often you work during an hour it may encourage you to work less not more as you'll be able to see when you start to taper off; the longer you work the less efficient you may become.

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I wonder if anyone in developed countries can actually make a living from something like Upwork. It seemed to me whenever I have looked at it, that it's mostly people and companies from the developing world who work for less than minimum wage or close to it in developed countries... and the expected cost matches these sorts of rates. So it does not make sense for anyone other than the most desperate people in the fir…

I make 75 to 150 per hour on upwork. The biggest thing I find is a lot of clients are uncomfortable with a 150 per hour contract, but very happy about a fixed price 3k project that takes me 20 to 25 hours.

I have to be pretty diligent about thinking through how long it will take but it works out.

Additionally, I've gotten multiple clients with constant work. Was getting paid 8k per month for about 20hrs a week. They've scaled back a bit so its 5k for about 14 hrs a week now. Not all clients are good clients though. Still figuring out how to interview them up top.

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#26

Recently a friend of mine pointed me towards TopTracker. It's an interesting concept, having kind of a papertrail for what you worked on can be really valuable in any setting, even the most friendly ones, because even yourself can loose track of all the yaks you've had to shave to fix a certain bug or make a gizmo spin a certain way. I've seen so many freelancers waste company time and endangering otherwise great pro…

You make some good points about a useful papertrail for one's personal use, but I think the hard line here is whether the papertrail is for your benefit or for someone else's. In this case it's pretty clear that it benefits the contracted not at all, and it's a simple case of @techcompany wanting the benefits (no min wage or paying for health insurance) and none of the drawbacks (lack of control) of an independant contracting.

Rooting for this idea's death, personally.

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#27

As far as I know this has always been the case. oDesk had a screenshot tracking program too for hourly jobs prior to the merger and rebranding.

It did/does. I did not have an issue with it, besides occasionally having to go delete a ton of screenshots when I accidentally left the tracker running while I wasnt working (not attempting to be fraudulent, just careless)

Re: Upwork Freelancers Who Want Guaranteed Pay Have to Opt in to Tracking Software

#28

Recently a friend of mine pointed me towards TopTracker. It's an interesting concept, having kind of a papertrail for what you worked on can be really valuable in any setting, even the most friendly ones, because even yourself can loose track of all the yaks you've had to shave to fix a certain bug or make a gizmo spin a certain way. I've seen so many freelancers waste company time and endangering otherwise great pro…

Yeah this is really dumb. If you're charging hourly, but don't trust someone is actually working, don't charge hourly.

If you want full control of an employee don't get a freelancer. If you want to constant surveillance of any artists' computer; fuck off. If you don't trust the artist to work, get a new artist.

Re: Upwork Freelancers Who Want Guaranteed Pay Have to Opt in to Tracking Software

#29
post #4

I wonder if anyone in developed countries can actually make a living from something like Upwork. It seemed to me whenever I have looked at it, that it's mostly people and companies from the developing world who work for less than minimum wage or close to it in developed countries... and the expected cost matches these sorts of rates. So it does not make sense for anyone other than the most desperate people in the fir…

I make 75 to 150 per hour on upwork. The biggest thing I find is a lot of clients are uncomfortable with a 150 per hour contract, but very happy about a fixed price 3k project that takes me 20 to 25 hours. I have to be pretty diligent about thinking through how long it will take but it works out. Additionally, I've gotten multiple clients with constant work. Was getting paid 8k per month for about 20hrs a week. They'…

What kind of work are you doing? If you don't mind my asking...
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