Upwork Freelancers Who Want Guaranteed Pay Have to Opt in to Tracking Software
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#2Anybody who dealt with upwork knows perfectly well that "guaranteed" ... there is nothing guaranteed with these systems.
And in my experience, the people wanting more control want it because they know that they themselves would, given the chance, betray the trust. If someone demands this happen, you can bet they're looking to exploit you. You don't want to work for these people, you don't want to touch them with a 10-foot pole.
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#3The old Elance was great. Miss it a lot.
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#4I wonder if anyone in developed countries can actually make a living from something like Upwork. It seemed to me whenever I have looked at it, that it's mostly people and companies from the developing world who work for less than minimum wage or close to it in developed countries... and the expected cost matches these sorts of rates. So it does not make sense for anyone other than the most desperate people in the first world to try to get work on these sorts of sites.
As such that sort of labor is easy to exploit. They have no bargaining power and are already working for peanuts.
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#5I wonder if anyone in developed countries can actually make a living from something like Upwork. It seemed to me whenever I have looked at it, that it's mostly people and companies from the developing world who work for less than minimum wage or close to it in developed countries... and the expected cost matches these sorts of rates. So it does not make sense for anyone other than the most desperate people in the fir…
It probably depends on the domain - I've hired people domestically across a few different fields for rates in the $50 - $150/hr range when I was looking for specific expertise that I wasn't able to find in my network. It's sort of niche and I don't know if they were making a full time living from it, but I think we paid fair and got what we paid for.
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#6As far as I know this has always been the case. oDesk had a screenshot tracking program too for hourly jobs prior to the merger and rebranding.
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#7Even with this screenshot tracking, I've been swindled on Upwork by fake devs. They take the time to fake it, why not just do the work?
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#8I wonder if anyone in developed countries can actually make a living from something like Upwork. It seemed to me whenever I have looked at it, that it's mostly people and companies from the developing world who work for less than minimum wage or close to it in developed countries... and the expected cost matches these sorts of rates. So it does not make sense for anyone other than the most desperate people in the fir…
I did vworker for a big part of my income years ago. Almost all of my business came from a tiny number of repeat clients (in fact, mostly one) who had already learned the pain that comes from optimizing only for cost.
The money still wasn’t great (although I could have made it better if I were assertive enough to raise my rates on existing clients), and there’s no way in hell I would have done it if I’d had to use tracking software, but it was sort of kind of feasible.
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#9I wonder if anyone in developed countries can actually make a living from something like Upwork. It seemed to me whenever I have looked at it, that it's mostly people and companies from the developing world who work for less than minimum wage or close to it in developed countries... and the expected cost matches these sorts of rates. So it does not make sense for anyone other than the most desperate people in the fir…
It's definitely a race to the bottom but it also represents a good opportunity for junior developers even in developed countries. I've gotten $35/hour jobs before which isn't great but it isn't peanuts either.
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#10Had a dev use macro keystrokes to cheat it. worthless.