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Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Post by smt88 »

koolba wrote: post #75
diminoten wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You trace it back though; we voted for the people who did the gerrymandering, and we voted for the electoral college (our ancestors did, anyway).

I say it's a feature, not a bug. Reducing everything to a popular vote is just a feel good way of describing mob rule. The electoral college and equal Senate representation acts as a tempering force on said mob.

Aren't limited powers of the Presidency also a tempering force? So are checks and balances.

Yes, direct representation encourages mob voting, but there are hundreds of distinct mobs that can check one another.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

byebyetech wrote: post #40
base698 wrote: post #3

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-epa-allowing-asbestos-p... The EPA has not changed anything about currently banned uses of asbestos, and any new uses would first be assessed by the agency.

I think current EPA would allow asbestos infused coal plants.

Preferably implemented with neighborhood based DC generators as Edison intended.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Post by ptyyy »

spoiledtechie wrote: post #64
gameswithgo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not unbelievable, it is the stated stance of the GOP to reduce environmental and health regulations, and they are doing it. It is exactly what we voted for.

a "stated stance"? Show me where? I call BS.

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/static/home/data/platform.pd...

ctrl+f EPA ctrl+f Regulation: The Quiet Tyranny

It's really not that difficult.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Post by oblio »

koolba wrote: post #75
diminoten wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You trace it back though; we voted for the people who did the gerrymandering, and we voted for the electoral college (our ancestors did, anyway).

I say it's a feature, not a bug. Reducing everything to a popular vote is just a feel good way of describing mob rule. The electoral college and equal Senate representation acts as a tempering force on said mob.

In most places you prevent tyranny of the majority through the constitution. Then in the bounds of the constitution, yes, the majority does get to decide. That's not the same as mob rule.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Post by Retric »

mhaymo wrote: post #58
smt88 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of us did not vote for this. Without gerrymandering or the electoral college, Congress and the White House would be overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats.

I think you're massively overstating the effects of gerrymandering. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S026137941... > while Republican and Democratic gerrymandering affects the partisan outcomes of Congressional elections in some states, the net effect across the states is modest, creating no more than one new Republican seat in Congress

> gerrymandering or the electoral college

Look up just how many races had exactly one candidate and say that again. US politics has been adjusted based on it's ridiculous rules, different rules would have vastly more competitive races.

IMO #1 change would be nationwide proportional representation for at least one side of congress which mean every single vote counts and 3rd parties are viable.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Post by leesalminen »

koolba wrote: post #75
diminoten wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You trace it back though; we voted for the people who did the gerrymandering, and we voted for the electoral college (our ancestors did, anyway).

I say it's a feature, not a bug. Reducing everything to a popular vote is just a feel good way of describing mob rule. The electoral college and equal Senate representation acts as a tempering force on said mob.

Agreed completely. Folks should be careful what they wish for...

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

barry-cotter wrote: post #72
smt88 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of us did not vote for this. Without gerrymandering or the electoral college, Congress and the White House would be overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats.

The Democrats’ problem is that their supporters are better at sorting themselves into geographically distinct clusters, i.e. cities. You don’t get more Democratic representation for a 90% win than a 52% one. And gerrymandering is a bipartisan endeavour, whichever party is in power during redistricting gerrymanders, that’s just American politics. As far as the electoral college goes no one is making any effort at refo…

The problem is that the loss of our manufacturing base eliminated Democrat leaning organized labor outside the cities.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Post by swebs »

s3m4j wrote: post #6
EamonnMR wrote: post #2

The risks have been known for years. At this point isn't not pollution or negligence to use it, it's homicide.

120 years give or take 10 years. But the free market is always right. Right ?

How did "new uses will be reviewed by the EPA on a case-by-case basis" turn into a circlejerk against the free market?
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