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Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by Fnoord »

51Cards wrote: post #164
what_ever wrote: post #147

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How does it complicate the UI for you?

This link displays it best: https://www.techradar.com/news/android-p-only-has-space-for-... In short there is a 4 notification icon limit now with the clock on the left, whether you have a notch or not. I often have a lot more than 4 notification icons up (esp since a couple are permanent from background apps) and the rest will just disappear under a dot-dot icon.

Wait. Everything has notch support, even if the device doesn't have a notch? That's odd, right? Given the notch is still an exception? Although they could make the status icons (top) tilt 90 degrees so they are usable from within landscape yet remain on their position

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Post by ams6110 »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #112
craftyguy wrote: post #74

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I've always regarded the back button as a completely random thing.

I've always regarded the back button as the single most important reason why I prefer Android to iOS. Interesting how different people perceive the world.

I agree. The back button in Android almost always seems to do what I would expect. I'm not an iOS user so my perspective probably doesn't mean a lot, but the occasional times I try to use someone else's iOS phone I have no idea what's going on. Nothing seems intuitive.

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Post by anonytrary »

EpicBlackCrayon wrote: post #30

Did anyone see these privacy changes? https://developer.android.com/about/versions/p/android-9.0-c... * Limited access to sensors in background * Restricted access to call logs * Restricted access to phone numbers * Restricted access to Wi-Fi location and connection information * Information removed from Wi-Fi service methods * Telephony information now relies on device location setting

This is the top comment I came here for. I really hope there is a way to turn off all the "machine learning stuff" because I would rather not sacrifice any of my personal data so that Google can better predict how to "optimize my phone experience". My human brain learns the random quirks of an OS in a matter of days, I don't need the OS brain trying to learn how I use it, as it would be confusing for both of us.

I just wish there was a global "NO NO and NO!" override button for any kind of "help make your service better by using your personal information" feature. Just recently, I discovered that www.google.com was also accessing my Chrome browser's location, and I can not recall when I said "yes" to any such location prompt. It's a bit sad -- I think of these features as being intentionally obfuscated similarly to how Facebook intentionally obfuscates their "account deletion" mechanism.

I'm afraid the majority of people just don't care about these needlessly nosy "smart" systems, and I'm probably going to suffer from it as someone in the privacy-niche.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by swebs »

anonytrary wrote: post #233
EpicBlackCrayon wrote: post #30

Did anyone see these privacy changes? https://developer.android.com/about/versions/p/android-9.0-c... * Limited access to sensors in background * Restricted access to call logs * Restricted access to phone numbers * Restricted access to Wi-Fi location and connection information * Information removed from Wi-Fi service methods * Telephony information now relies on device location setting

This is the top comment I came here for. I really hope there is a way to turn off all the "machine learning stuff" because I would rather not sacrifice any of my personal data so that Google can better predict how to "optimize my phone experience". My human brain learns the random quirks of an OS in a matter of days, I don't need the OS brain trying to learn how I use it, as it would be confusing for both of us. I ju…

> I discovered that www.google.com was also accessing my Chrome browser's location, and I can not recall when I said "yes" to any such location prompt

This is the worst when traveling through Europe. Cross a border and suddenly all Google services are in a language you don't speak.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by spiritcat »

Legogris wrote: post #87

I can't be the only one getting a chill down my spine when I read this. Google, a company "committed to reach and engage the right users safely and cost-effectively around the world", doing deep analysis of my every input and my context in order to "drive engagement" and "surfacing the best parts of the apps [I] use all the time"? I hope this stuff is kept out of AOSP. Yes, I know it seems like at least some of the c…

Not just you, hope can turn off, do not want.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by wh-uws »

exhilaration wrote: post #95
izacus wrote: post #56

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My experience moving from a Pixel XL to Samsung S9 has been the exact opposite though. Samsung is a significantly dumber phone that requires way more constant fiddling and care to be a good companion. Examples: - Samsung removed timed audio profiles. I no longer can say "silence for 1 hour" when I'm giving a talk. Now I need to babysit my phone and if I forget to put it back on loud, I'll miss calls. - Samsung remove…

I no longer can say "silence for 1 hour" when I'm giving a talk I've been using this free app for years to do that, try it out: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.publicobje...

I do the same with silence

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cabooze.bu...

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by sjwright »

nine_k wrote: post #224
monk_e_boy wrote: post #208

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The random way the back button works -- moving to iOS I didn't miss it. There are plenty of ways to switch apps, or go back within an app. I thought I'd miss it. I didn't. Now I wouldn't need it on Android.

If one app activates another (camera -> album -> photo editor -> share), how do you go back from mid-way if you decided to?

Because Android features this metaphor, it's used extensively. Because iOS doesn't, it isn't as much. iOS features different metaphors which achieve the same outcomes in different ways, such as pop-up sheets for the camera, album views and share panes.

And in cases where one app does activate another, you can go back one step by tapping the top-left corner of the screen. There's only one level of "app back", but that's plenty since iOS doesn't tend to jump you between apps a lot, and because that navigation isn't co-mingled with other "back" operations.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by dmitrygr »

YZF wrote: post #166

Coming to my Nexus 4 soon? ;) It always feels like the goal here is to get people to buy new phones. I wonder what % of phones running the previous OS will be upgradable.

Not very hard to do, actually. N4 hw is well known
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