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YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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I don't necessarily like this action. People are quick to point out that FB and Youtube are private entities and such but the reality is that they've become so ubiquitous in our lives that if they start censorship based on the company's preferred politics, beliefs, etc. than it will have an effect on all of us. Can mobile apps (like WhatsApp) inspect messages and decide to boot users if they're saying things that are…

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Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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I think the reason why Alex Jones became popular is because the mainstream news websites like CNN and even sections of the NYT became more Jones-like in their reporting. When people are just choosing between different sensationalist conspiracy theory websites it becomes much more challenging for ordinary people to pick a quality outlet. The thing is that most of the web and the printed word is spam that will actively…

Oh please. What a load of hogwash. NYT and CNN aren’t perfect but making some kind of comparison to the rantings of a lunatic like Jones is absurd. Get a grip.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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I don't necessarily like this action. People are quick to point out that FB and Youtube are private entities and such but the reality is that they've become so ubiquitous in our lives that if they start censorship based on the company's preferred politics, beliefs, etc. than it will have an effect on all of us. Can mobile apps (like WhatsApp) inspect messages and decide to boot users if they're saying things that are…

Same here. I don't agree with anything he says, but banning him from these platforms sets a bad precedent. The way to fight ignorance is with education. If anything, this will enforce their persecution complex. Now Alex Jones will say, "See? Big media doesn't want you to know the things I'm telling you." And he'll be right.

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Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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>Conspiracy theorist and online troll Alex Jones >The decision comes hours after Apple and Facebook made similar moves So I guess Mr Jones will have to report on this particular conspiracy elsewhere. I for one would like to hear it...

Sophisticated people understand that there are no actual conspiracies, only baseless conspiracy theories.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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post #12

From Wikipedia: "The InfoWars website receives approximately 10 million monthly visits, making it more visited than some mainstream news websites such as The Economist and Newsweek." This bothers me. Say what you like about his content, but it is not fringe. He is the preferred "thinker" of a significant fraction of the population. If you think the solution is to deplatform him, you're thinking about the problem wron…

> So if Alex Jones makes your blood boil, then put that emotion to work. Raise his platform. Discuss him. Debunk his ideas one by one.

Except that doesn't work with trolls. Many of his followers are just in it for the lulz. Engagement just provides more fodder for trolling. You gotta just ignore trolls. And if you can, deny them a platform.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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post #12

From Wikipedia: "The InfoWars website receives approximately 10 million monthly visits, making it more visited than some mainstream news websites such as The Economist and Newsweek." This bothers me. Say what you like about his content, but it is not fringe. He is the preferred "thinker" of a significant fraction of the population. If you think the solution is to deplatform him, you're thinking about the problem wron…

It's nigh impossible to rationally argue an opponent acting in bad faith out of their deeply held conspiratorial thinking.

Especially if they're just in it for the lulz.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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post #3

In other discussions about this action, I've seen lots of confusion about what the 1st Amendment guarantees. Too many people think it guarantees an outcome: that the government must protect your right to free speech and make sure you have a platform for free speech. When in fact it's almost the opposite: it prevents the government from interfering with free speech, specifically Congress can not pass any laws that int…

And besides the legal definition, the principle of free speech is about being able to express speech without systematic repurcussions. Censorship by an individual (or corp-as-individual) is tool used by businesses on their platforms and doesn't violate principles of free speech. Systematic censorship that violates this principle is only really wieldable by governments: Making the expression of an idea anywhere have consequences for you, your friends, and your family's ability to go on living (in a threat-of-violence life-or-death sense, not a $ sense).

Free speech zealots tend to slyly try equating systemic censorship with an individual's ability to censor others, thus taking events like this and pretending it is an offense against the principle. It is not, and don't be fooled.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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post #3

In other discussions about this action, I've seen lots of confusion about what the 1st Amendment guarantees. Too many people think it guarantees an outcome: that the government must protect your right to free speech and make sure you have a platform for free speech. When in fact it's almost the opposite: it prevents the government from interfering with free speech, specifically Congress can not pass any laws that int…

The first amendment represents an ideal. An ideal the country is walking back from as it discovers a large faction does not share the same morals. The decision to silence instead of engage will lead to disintegration of the country if its not dealt with.
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