Introducing Android 9 Pie • Hacker News Board

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by davidy123 » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:18 PM UTC

mkirklions wrote: post #18

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #7

I'm no longer surprised that Samsung doesn't feel the need to update to the latest version of Android! Grace UX (their skin) already had all of these features as of last year. I do not see anything worth upgrading for here. Potentially huge for people buying the notched phones. The support for that did improve in this update.

Curious what others think of samsung hardware on HN. Ive had: >S5 phone whos charging port broke and had terrible battery life. But hey, when I bought the phone the screen was bright and beautiful... I feel like I was tricked >My SSD failed in a year >My grandpa's 1,000 dollar samsung TV he bought in 2018 has an irresponsibly slow smart TV. And I read some horror stories about samsung home appliances when I was looki…

I used my Note 4 for three years and it's still in perfect shape, aside from the headphone jack. I've got several of their SSDs, they're all good so far. I just got a scratch and dent 2017 year entry level Samsung TV running Tizen, the UI is much faster than what I've seen on other devices. My Samsung microwave had issues within the first year, a local service depot sent a person to the house to fix it.

I don't like their choices deviating away from Android to the degree I won't buy their handsets anymore, but have no complaints about them otherwise and think a lot of their hardware and design is very good.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by bmurphy1976 » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:19 PM UTC

craftyguy wrote: post #74

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might not be a bad thing. I've used Android for a while, but I'm not always clear if/when the back button will do in-app navigation vs. return me to the phone's home screen.

I've always regarded the back button as a completely random thing.

I've always regarded the back button as the single most important reason why I prefer Android to iOS. Interesting how different people perceive the world.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by blinkingled » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:20 PM UTC

Essential has done a fabulous job with Android updates - https://twitter.com/essential/status/1026516461907369984?s=2...

I hope they stay afloat and release a successor to the PH-1.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by guelo » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:22 PM UTC

EpicBlackCrayon wrote: post #30

Did anyone see these privacy changes? https://developer.android.com/about/versions/p/android-9.0-c... * Limited access to sensors in background * Restricted access to call logs * Restricted access to phone numbers * Restricted access to Wi-Fi location and connection information * Information removed from Wi-Fi service methods * Telephony information now relies on device location setting

The "privacy" and "security" features also mean a less powerful computer. Which is probably the right trade-off for most users but a pain in the ass for more niche use cases.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by MBCook » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:24 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #100

dingo_bat wrote: post #92

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This is the first time I am considering an iphone as my next phone. But the lack of headphone jack makes it really hard.

Think of this experience next time someone tries to convince you that customers in this market get to "vote with their wallets".

They do. Customers voted overwhelmingly ‘we don’t care’ so the headphone jack didn’t return.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by izacus » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:26 PM UTC

guelo wrote: post #114

EpicBlackCrayon wrote: post #30

Did anyone see these privacy changes? https://developer.android.com/about/versions/p/android-9.0-c... * Limited access to sensors in background * Restricted access to call logs * Restricted access to phone numbers * Restricted access to Wi-Fi location and connection information * Information removed from Wi-Fi service methods * Telephony information now relies on device location setting

The "privacy" and "security" features also mean a less powerful computer. Which is probably the right trade-off for most users but a pain in the ass for more niche use cases.

Most of that data is still available, just gated behind permissions that require explicit consent from user now.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by HillaryBriss » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:26 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #11

> App Actions is a new way to raise the visibility of your app and drive engagement. Actions take advantage of machine learning to surface your app to the user at just the right time, based on your app's semantic intents and the user's context. Aside from the unnecessary jargon, this irks me how it portrays the user as some passive consumer. It really drives home how Google is, first and foremost, an advertising comp…

just my opinion: i dislike Android's new use of the word 'action', because, from a developer perspective, there's already another, longstanding meaning attached to that word.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by youseecomrade » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:26 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #55

Android Oreo, one year later in spite of Treble, 12.1%

https://old.reddit.com/r/LineageOS/comments/879e9o/unofficia...

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by krzyk » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:27 PM UTC

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #37

untog wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely the headline features here are the machine learning everything, not really the UI tweaks?

You're right, but Samsung features go beyond UI changes. I am locked into the Samsung ecosystem by a few of these intangibles. Like: Samsung Pay (works on credit card readers) Samsung DeX (Chromebook in your pocket) Samsung Pass (auto fill with Iris scanning) Some of these features are made by other companies like, Huawei makes a Chromebook style UI too, but Iris scanning and Magnetic Payments are exclusive to Samsun…

> Samsung Pay (works on credit card readers)

I was wondering what you mean, until I read the first child comment. Credit card readers around Europe support NFC (are all chip based), I haven't seen an only magnetic stripe card in years.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by DennisAleynikov » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:27 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #96

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #90

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You're comparing developer marketing materials which should show the reason devs would want this vs human marketing materials? I get apple is for developers too but they word things in the most utopian way it's almost like they believe they're in a Utopia.

They're both "developer marketing materials." And Apple's marketing materials aren't "utopian." They're how developer marketing materials have always been written--in a user-centric way because the point of computers is to help humans do things. Even Balmer-era Microsoft never put out developer materials with anything as user-hostile as saying that a feature "drives engagement." It's a Freudian slip revealing that in…

Google speaks marketing speak, which isn't a strike against them. They worded it honestly, it's an opportunity for apps to be useful and have more activity for developers. Apple only focuses on it's vision of a power user on Apple having flexibility. It a nice vision but it's not the reality I see on iOS. On Android at least this was already a thing for years since notifications can be app slices.

It's all dependent on frame of reference. Nobody reads Google's developer blog looking for user centric stuff, it's being pitched to devs and their metrics