Introducing Android 9 Pie • Hacker News Board

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by izacus » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #88

fixermark wrote: post #39

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Not most people though. There was a time when in MacOS, one could manually limit the amount of memory a program was launched into by setting the required and preferred memory footprint. But that kind of low-level stuff isn't something most people care about or want to do. They just want the damn thing to work.

Do you know what I would like? For Android to actually show what apps/services drain battery life. I noticed recently that WhatsApp, Reddit Sync, and a few other apps were draining battery life like crazy. But none of that drainage was being shown in the battery stats. Google is purposefully hiding how some apps use battery, and it started years ago when they allowed apps to hide under "Android OS" and "System" categ…

Noone is purposefully hiding anything. If you need advanced battery data, you can use Battery Historian even on non-modified phones and you'll get all the battery stats your heart desires, down to reason for each CPU wakeup.

https://developer.android.com/studio/profile/battery-histori...

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by conradfr » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:06 PM UTC

I was just hoping for them to retire those stupid round adaptive icons. They did not.

Also it's not clear if the old style of switching "opened" apps will still be there? Because the new one with the full screen preview seems more flashy but less practical(think alt+tab vs win+tab on Windows).

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:10 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #79

ythn wrote: post #72

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Payday Peanut Brittle Popcorn Popsicle

> Popsicle Wait what, did someone trademark this name?

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Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by triangleman » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:11 PM UTC

mkirklions wrote: post #18

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #7

I'm no longer surprised that Samsung doesn't feel the need to update to the latest version of Android! Grace UX (their skin) already had all of these features as of last year. I do not see anything worth upgrading for here. Potentially huge for people buying the notched phones. The support for that did improve in this update.

Curious what others think of samsung hardware on HN. Ive had: >S5 phone whos charging port broke and had terrible battery life. But hey, when I bought the phone the screen was bright and beautiful... I feel like I was tricked >My SSD failed in a year >My grandpa's 1,000 dollar samsung TV he bought in 2018 has an irresponsibly slow smart TV. And I read some horror stories about samsung home appliances when I was looki…

Still using S5 as my daily driver, with LineageOS. No major complaints here, but yeah I will probably get a new battery soon.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by ppeetteerr » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:13 PM UTC

Legogris wrote: post #87

I can't be the only one getting a chill down my spine when I read this. Google, a company "committed to reach and engage the right users safely and cost-effectively around the world", doing deep analysis of my every input and my context in order to "drive engagement" and "surfacing the best parts of the apps [I] use all the time"? I hope this stuff is kept out of AOSP. Yes, I know it seems like at least some of the c…

They already do this with your searches and geolocation data. Why not this?

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by peshkira » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:13 PM UTC

NSAID wrote: post #43

tjungblut wrote: post #8

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me too, but what would be a world-renowned candy that starts with 'P'?

I was pulling for (unbranded) Petit four https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petit_four

Android 1.1 was called Petit Four

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by lgleason » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:14 PM UTC

Funny. My Essential already has the update, but my pixel doesn't. Go figure...

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by DennisAleynikov » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:14 PM UTC

confounded wrote: post #97

EpicBlackCrayon wrote: post #30

Did anyone see these privacy changes? https://developer.android.com/about/versions/p/android-9.0-c... * Limited access to sensors in background * Restricted access to call logs * Restricted access to phone numbers * Restricted access to Wi-Fi location and connection information * Information removed from Wi-Fi service methods * Telephony information now relies on device location setting

Great stuff. However, while I'm happy that they're limiting third-party access to this data, given Google's business model, I still wouldn't trust them with it.

You're right Google no longer has the trust it used to enjoy. So many apps have been uploading entire call logs and it's really absurd this was so easiy accessible to all apps.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by josephh » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:15 PM UTC

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #7

I'm no longer surprised that Samsung doesn't feel the need to update to the latest version of Android! Grace UX (their skin) already had all of these features as of last year. I do not see anything worth upgrading for here. Potentially huge for people buying the notched phones. The support for that did improve in this update.

My thoughts exactly; the only feature that I really missed from not having my device upgraded to Oreo last year was the OS-wide credential auto-fill functionality. I see none this time around.

I wonder when they'll have better VPN support: the stock OS is still missing IPSec IKEv2+RSA w/ proper server cert validation (even Strongswan has a few major limitations with their Android app implementation[1]), and their always-on VPN support is quite bad (e.g. lack of domain name support for not good-enough reason[2], doesn't handle tethering properly while connected)

[1]. https://wiki.strongswan.org/issues/813 [2]. https://superuser.com/a/1019661

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by DennisAleynikov » Mon, Aug 06, 2018, 7:18 PM UTC

josephh wrote: post #109

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #7

I'm no longer surprised that Samsung doesn't feel the need to update to the latest version of Android! Grace UX (their skin) already had all of these features as of last year. I do not see anything worth upgrading for here. Potentially huge for people buying the notched phones. The support for that did improve in this update.

My thoughts exactly; the only feature that I really missed from not having my device upgraded to Oreo last year was the OS-wide credential auto-fill functionality. I see none this time around. I wonder when they'll have better VPN support: the stock OS is still missing IPSec IKEv2+RSA w/ proper server cert validation (even Strongswan has a few major limitations with their Android app implementation[1]), and their alw…

Before Oreo finally enabled universal auto fill, Samsung Pass did a good job signing me in with my irises so far. I love the ecosystem of apps they made so far really impressive. Especially the magnification loupe that iOS has had for years.