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Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by xd1936 »

NSAID wrote: post #48
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #37

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You're right, but Samsung features go beyond UI changes. I am locked into the Samsung ecosystem by a few of these intangibles. Like: Samsung Pay (works on credit card readers) Samsung DeX (Chromebook in your pocket) Samsung Pass (auto fill with Iris scanning) Some of these features are made by other companies like, Huawei makes a Chromebook style UI too, but Iris scanning and Magnetic Payments are exclusive to Samsun…

> Samsung Pay (works on credit card readers) I hadn't heard of that before. That's pretty cool. "Magnetic Secure Transmission (MST) is a technology that emits a magnetic signal that mimics the magnetic strip on a traditional payment card. MST sends a magnetic signal from your device to the payment terminal's card reader (to emulate swiping a physical card without having to upgrade the terminal’s software or hardware)…

Yup. Samsung bought a company called LoopPay a couple of years ago. They invented and patented the tech.

https://www.looppay.com/

https://www.recode.net/2015/5/13/11562614/samsung-paid-aroun...

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by dingo_bat »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #76
dingo_bat wrote: post #57

Reading through the list of improvements leaves me quite underwhelmed. I thought the Oreo upgrade was basically useless, but this is literally a service pack style update. Also amusing to see "battery improvements" in every release without anything to show for it.

> Also amusing to see "battery improvements" in every release without anything to show for it. Whatever improvements are made are most likely quickly eaten by the cruft accumulating both in the system and in applications. The latter update frequently, which means you have a steady stream of bloat coming in...

This is the first time I am considering an iphone as my next phone. But the lack of headphone jack makes it really hard.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by skykooler »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #79
ythn wrote: post #72

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Payday Peanut Brittle Popcorn Popsicle

> Popsicle Wait what, did someone trademark this name?

Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popsicle_(brand)

It was invented by Frank Epperson, who left stirring sticks in fruit juice that was left to freeze. He called it the Eppsicle, as a combination of Epperson + icicle, but his kids started calling it "Popsicle" (as they called him Pop), and the name stuck. The name is now owned by Unilever.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

josephh wrote: post #84
mrep wrote: post #68

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Really? I had a galaxy s4 back in the day and I hated the skin/bloatware on it so much I went back to iphone. I recently got the pixel 2 to see if googles own phone would be a better experience and I have liked it as much as my old iphone.

I believe most of the preconception against Samsung-branded Android OS is based on their experience with older (pre S6) devices. I wholeheartedly agree they were bad at it back then (esp. the bloatware that poorly replicated the functionality of various stock apps), but they've since gotten significantly better with their UX.

Yes I would forgive anyone who used pre-s6 devices to think Samsung is some lackluster copycat with slow TouchWiz UI and terrible useability

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by exhilaration »

izacus wrote: post #56
wvenable wrote: post #23

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The general consensus amount Samsung users from my experience is that that they do these features better than Google. Samsung's multi-window support was better than eventually came to Android. Samsung's handling of app badges was WAY better (message counts!) and that went away with Oreo's terrible implementation (a dot indicating un-dismissed notifications). My impression after upgrading to Oreo and getting more Goog…

My experience moving from a Pixel XL to Samsung S9 has been the exact opposite though. Samsung is a significantly dumber phone that requires way more constant fiddling and care to be a good companion. Examples: - Samsung removed timed audio profiles. I no longer can say "silence for 1 hour" when I'm giving a talk. Now I need to babysit my phone and if I forget to put it back on loud, I'll miss calls. - Samsung remove…

I no longer can say "silence for 1 hour" when I'm giving a talk

I've been using this free app for years to do that, try it out: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.publicobje...

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by rayiner »

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #90
rayiner wrote: post #62

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Google markets how a feature "drives engagement." Apple talks about how it "help users quickly accomplish tasks."

You're comparing developer marketing materials which should show the reason devs would want this vs human marketing materials? I get apple is for developers too but they word things in the most utopian way it's almost like they believe they're in a Utopia.

They're both "developer marketing materials." And Apple's marketing materials aren't "utopian." They're how developer marketing materials have always been written--in a user-centric way because the point of computers is to help humans do things.

Even Balmer-era Microsoft never put out developer materials with anything as user-hostile as saying that a feature "drives engagement." It's a Freudian slip revealing that in the Google ecosystem, the user is the product, not the customer.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by confounded »

EpicBlackCrayon wrote: post #30

Did anyone see these privacy changes? https://developer.android.com/about/versions/p/android-9.0-c... * Limited access to sensors in background * Restricted access to call logs * Restricted access to phone numbers * Restricted access to Wi-Fi location and connection information * Information removed from Wi-Fi service methods * Telephony information now relies on device location setting

Great stuff. However, while I'm happy that they're limiting third-party access to this data, given Google's business model, I still wouldn't trust them with it.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

sigfubar wrote: post #63
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #45

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No sorry, you might have gotten lucky. But a few major YouTubers have reported this slowdown and I really have no data to back this up. I'm glad the Pixel 2 XL works for you! I just have a personal grudge against the pixel line of phones are they compete with OEM's directly without bringing good hardware to the table (except that god tier camera of course)

"Major YouTubers" are also the same people who professional marketers generally place in the "influencers" category. These folks accept payment ("sponsorship") in exchange for publishing videos that are in line with the sponsoring entity's priorities. As usual, one must exercise care when consuming Internet content. Most of it is, quite unfortunately, "fake news" or "sponsored content".

I'm sorry but what the heck does this have to do with YouTubers reporting issues with their favorite daily driver phones? They aren't being paid by Samsung to say the Pixel is shit. I'm talking about MKBHD and his slowdowns specifically.

Also I wanted to ask you about a previous comment you left. What really upset me was you saying Samsung Software is somehow not a feature because it's made by an OEM. Do you think Samsung should not be making features because it fragments the market? Because to me they've really done a good faith effort to be apple in quality of features and ecosystem of products. I really enjoy the care they have put into the user's quality of life. I could not see myself using anything but a Samsung Galaxy.

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by youseecomrade »

ythn wrote: post #66
hateful wrote: post #36

> We partnered with DeepMind on a feature called Adaptive Battery that uses machine learning to prioritize system resources for the apps the user cares about most. You know what mind I would like to control what apps get more resources? Me

Ugh, I want to be optimistic, but I think this feature is going to suck and here's why: I use snapchat, but I actually hate the app. It's a bloated memory and battery hog in my opinion. Is Adaptive Battery going to think I love Snapchat and prioritize more system resources for it just because I use it? Cause I want the exact opposite to happen. I want Snapchat using 0% of my system resources except for the few times…

That's why I only use Android with ROMs like LineageOS where I can block apps from opening on startup and running in the background (you also get more granular permissions for free).

Re: Introducing Android 9 Pie

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Post by TeMPOraL »

dingo_bat wrote: post #92
TeMPOraL wrote: post #76

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> Also amusing to see "battery improvements" in every release without anything to show for it. Whatever improvements are made are most likely quickly eaten by the cruft accumulating both in the system and in applications. The latter update frequently, which means you have a steady stream of bloat coming in...

This is the first time I am considering an iphone as my next phone. But the lack of headphone jack makes it really hard.

Think of this experience next time someone tries to convince you that customers in this market get to "vote with their wallets".
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