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Not a programmer at the time, but a system administrator. I won't mention the company. This was 2011-2012 -ish. We hosted dedicated servers and most of the time, they were mostly Plesk or cPanel servers run by people selling email and or web hosting to hundreds of clients from a single server. This one time a client joins the network, buys a server from us, and migrates from Rackspace. We wondered why he'd move from…

what is an MBE?

"Order of the British Empire" - it's awarded by the Queen her self, directly.

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Not a programmer at the time, but a system administrator. I won't mention the company. This was 2011-2012 -ish. We hosted dedicated servers and most of the time, they were mostly Plesk or cPanel servers run by people selling email and or web hosting to hundreds of clients from a single server. This one time a client joins the network, buys a server from us, and migrates from Rackspace. We wondered why he'd move from…

That sounds like Hostgator.

No. They're UK based.

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post #196

Not a programmer at the time, but a system administrator. I won't mention the company. This was 2011-2012 -ish. We hosted dedicated servers and most of the time, they were mostly Plesk or cPanel servers run by people selling email and or web hosting to hundreds of clients from a single server. This one time a client joins the network, buys a server from us, and migrates from Rackspace. We wondered why he'd move from…

.....isn't HostGator by chance is it? Sounds like the kind of stuff they would have pulled back in their days

No. They're UK based.

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There was this Australian company that had this fly-by-night looking empty office near South Park, San Francisco... I'm serious, and not exaggerating, when I say it was a few bare metal folding chairs/tables bare walls, and way too much open space for the 1/2 dozen people working there...

In any case, the startup I worked for previous was split up and sold/aqui-hired out to two different companies, and myself and the technology I'd created, and the million+ email addresses we'd collected went to this one.

I went along with it because they were one of the few companies I knew of with access to the twitter fire hose feed, which interested me, and they had dept. of defense contacts - which ( in my mind ) legitimized their presence in the U.S.A. at the time.

Out of the many shady-feeling project, the one that made my skin crawl the most was an automated fuzzy matching system I was ordered to create, that tried its best to match users on Twitter to users on Facebook, using nothing beyond the normal publicly available meta data ( name, age, icon, the regular profile stuff ) and the followers/people followed on the twitter side, and friends and likes on the Facebook side.

It was surprisingly easy to match people, and felt more than a little wrong to me when I really thought about it... but the tech/challenge was just too fun to work on to routinely give it more than a perfunctory thought.

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Not me personally, but the company I started my career with (was an intern there for a few months). ERM software. When a new client comes onboard, install the product and database, but make sure not to make any optimizations, not even the basic indexes in the DB. Depending on the usage, the DB will get slower and slower in a few months. Then send a "consultant" who will simply run a script and add indexes etc and tes…

i wouldn't sweat it, a lot of economic activity is just information arbitrage.

Where do you draw the line? My grandma was once contacted by a scammer who offered to "optimize" her laptop, and she ended up paying roughly the same as the price of a new laptop.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They weren’t branded as such but the store(s) only existing on the deep web plus the incredibly low pricing made it obvious that these couldn’t have been obtained legitimately, if they were really selling anything at all and not just scamming people out of BTC. I highly doubt anyone capable of finding and using these sites could actually be dumb enough to believe it was anything other than stolen electronics (or a sc…

The stolen or the oppressing government are not good arguments. It doesn't allow either party to buy or sell. We had the case of an ex student who opened a company selling electronics and mechanical parts. Some shipments were stopped at the border by the local equivalent of the NSA and the company received a visit shortly afterwards. Turns out that some stuff can be used to manufacture military equipment. That day, w…

I don't really get how this relates to my point? All I was saying is that buying on the "dark web" is not always synonymous with bad intentions. I did not say it legally (I assume that's what you meant) allowed parties to trade, although I will say that it does physically allow parties to trade, as "dark" markets have been thriving for years now.

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I suspect you're not going to get many personal stories here because it would be self-incriminating. But I have a couple from some people I know in tech. 1. I know the guy who, pre-Snowden, actually designed many of the pieces of network gear needed for the dragnet. His perspective was basically: Yes it's wrong, but what do I know? I just design electronic circuits. 2. Same guy also mentioned how at another company h…

Nice job, we know it's you.

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I worked on a penny-bidding site. These guys "auctioned" items like PlayStation, tvs, cars to the user who placed the final bid on an item after 60 seconds of no further bids. Each bid would increase the final price by 1 pence/cent, but each bid would cost 50 pence/cents. You could "win" a $20,000 car for $500.37 and the house would have taken 50,037*50 cents. It might be okay if that was it -- but I was asked to cod…

You missed out. You could’ve rigged it so you could easily win yourself.

I'd fully expect the business to fire him for unethical or immoral behavior...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But see, I can understand weapons building. The motivation is protective towards one's society, and that is the intended result, even if that might not be the actual case. Whereas the intention of building an oppressive system such as the one described above is, what, selfishness? Laziness? Programmers, because of the high-demand nature of our role, do not tend to be subject to the usual financial pressures that othe…

I’ve always looked at these systems as “if someone else built this, it would be worse.” Doesn’t the same moral conundrum exist anytime you build a system that dehumanizes people for profit. Ad networks? Drug trials?

Ad networks - people can just disconnect or look away if they like.

Drug trials have benefit to society.

I would argue that creating a system to fire people in an automated fashion when they take too many bathroom breaks like this is morally worse than both of those systems you mentioned.

Re: Ask HN: What is the most unethical thing you've done as a programmer?

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post #196

Not a programmer at the time, but a system administrator. I won't mention the company. This was 2011-2012 -ish. We hosted dedicated servers and most of the time, they were mostly Plesk or cPanel servers run by people selling email and or web hosting to hundreds of clients from a single server. This one time a client joins the network, buys a server from us, and migrates from Rackspace. We wondered why he'd move from…

UKFast is a UK-based web host whose CEO has received an MBE.

Probably not that many other web host CEOs with an award from the Queen.

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