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Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

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This is indescribably exciting. Can't wait to see OpenAI Five tear through the human players just like what the single bot did to 'Dendi' -- a professional gamer -- during the International 7 tournament in August last year. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOopO9jTZw

It's not that exciting and it's very easy to beat humans at games when your reaction times are far faster and you have access to more information at a single moment in time. It's like being impressed by a calculator.

Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

#22

This is indescribably exciting. Can't wait to see OpenAI Five tear through the human players just like what the single bot did to 'Dendi' -- a professional gamer -- during the International 7 tournament in August last year. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOopO9jTZw

It's not that exciting and it's very easy to beat humans at games when your reaction times are far faster and you have access to more information at a single moment in time. It's like being impressed by a calculator.

Well yes and no. Sure, micro is a large part of Dota, but planning and coordination is worth as much. So reaction time gives you an advantage in one spectrum, but I think the real benchmark will be macro scale planning and coordination. Same applies to the Starcraft AI competition, where the bots still lose due to macro planning.

Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

#23

This is indescribably exciting. Can't wait to see OpenAI Five tear through the human players just like what the single bot did to 'Dendi' -- a professional gamer -- during the International 7 tournament in August last year. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOopO9jTZw

It's not that exciting and it's very easy to beat humans at games when your reaction times are far faster and you have access to more information at a single moment in time. It's like being impressed by a calculator.

dota 2 is not as extreme about this as, say, starcraft. in starcraft, most "strategies" are heavily scripted build orders that almost never deviate from a handful of openings (similar to opening moves in chess) and a large amount of winning comes from the ability to quickly give orders to your troops ("micro"). This is an example of a strategy that is not viable without superhuman reactions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVFZ28ybQs if you directly attack 20 siege tanks with 100 zerglings you will only kill about two siege tanks, but an AI can kill all the siege tanks with some zerglings left over.

There's some of this in dota, but there's a cap on the skill level for most playable characters that pros generally get "close enough" to, and beyond that the strategic depth comes from area control decisionmaking. Theres over 100 heroes and many of them have really weird abilities, like the possibility of creating a temporary wall (earthshaker) or the ability to teleport anywhere on the map every 20 seconds (furion). I could be wrong though, maybe the AI is winning games by playing heroes with long range and perfectly microing them to harass and prevent the other team from ever getting gold/xp.

Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

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hi,does anyone know if openAI release an up to date state of learning for their open AI dota code? Basically can I run the same sim on my laptop and watch them play? I can see some code on Github but dont know if the actually neural net data is available too. If anyone knows the answer that will be great thanks

Even if they did release the likely-very-big model, your personal computer is likely not fast enough to make 2-3 actions per second (x5) and update weights in real time without a beefy GPU.

You don't need to update any weights, the model is already trained.

Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that exciting and it's very easy to beat humans at games when your reaction times are far faster and you have access to more information at a single moment in time. It's like being impressed by a calculator.

dota 2 is not as extreme about this as, say, starcraft. in starcraft, most "strategies" are heavily scripted build orders that almost never deviate from a handful of openings (similar to opening moves in chess) and a large amount of winning comes from the ability to quickly give orders to your troops ("micro"). This is an example of a strategy that is not viable without superhuman reactions: https://www.youtube.com/w…

I think we made the same point at the same time :D

Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

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This is indescribably exciting. Can't wait to see OpenAI Five tear through the human players just like what the single bot did to 'Dendi' -- a professional gamer -- during the International 7 tournament in August last year. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOopO9jTZw

It's not that exciting and it's very easy to beat humans at games when your reaction times are far faster and you have access to more information at a single moment in time. It's like being impressed by a calculator.

What information do they have access to?

I do think a simulated reaction time or limited actions per second might be more fair, if they don’t have that already..

Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

#27

This is indescribably exciting. Can't wait to see OpenAI Five tear through the human players just like what the single bot did to 'Dendi' -- a professional gamer -- during the International 7 tournament in August last year. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOopO9jTZw

It's not that exciting and it's very easy to beat humans at games when your reaction times are far faster and you have access to more information at a single moment in time. It's like being impressed by a calculator.

"We’ve increased the reaction time of OpenAI Five from 80ms to 200ms. This reaction time is much closer to human level, though we haven’t seen evidence of changes in gameplay as OpenAI Five’s strength comes more from teamwork and coordination than reflexes."

Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

#28

This is indescribably exciting. Can't wait to see OpenAI Five tear through the human players just like what the single bot did to 'Dendi' -- a professional gamer -- during the International 7 tournament in August last year. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOopO9jTZw

It's not that exciting and it's very easy to beat humans at games when your reaction times are far faster and you have access to more information at a single moment in time. It's like being impressed by a calculator.

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Re: OpenAI bots competing against Humans right now

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This is indescribably exciting. Can't wait to see OpenAI Five tear through the human players just like what the single bot did to 'Dendi' -- a professional gamer -- during the International 7 tournament in August last year. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOopO9jTZw

It's not that exciting and it's very easy to beat humans at games when your reaction times are far faster and you have access to more information at a single moment in time. It's like being impressed by a calculator.

Reaction times are limited to 200ms; it's all about the meta and the group tactics, and bot are apparently really good at it.
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