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Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by jacques_chester »

Kudos wrote: post #5

Why is it that Microsoft are ok with serving traffic from countries under embargo but Google are not? As far as I know Amazon don't follow the embargo like this with AWS traffic either.

Amazon does not actually operate any data centres in China. They contract it out, or license their brand name, I am not sure exactly which. I believe to avoid legally squiggliness between Chinese law and laws elsewhere.

This causes a lot of annoyances -- lots of features are not available in Chinese "AWS" regions, or they require special treatment. When I've gotten reports about slow, incomplete or stalled downloads from CloudFront it is almost always someone who's inside the Great Firewall.

I guess GCP decided not to bother with that approach for now.

Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by samstave »

geofft wrote: post #19
samstave wrote: post #11

Has anyone yet built a tool which will deploy an environment to all three major cloud providers and bench mark them against each?

There are a few "cloud portability" companies, but the fundamental problem with this approach is that cloud providers don't offer the same APIs and pricing models. If all you want is virtual machines and block storage, you can do it, but the answer is that your site is going to be more expensive on any of the providers than if you built it for an architecture that fits your cloud. If you design for the strengths of,…

Exactly my point for the most part.

The fact that you basically had to provide a ELI5 here on HN for this, shows what a dismal job we, as an industry, have done to educate the larger world as to the best-practice of cloud selection should be.

We, on HN, for the most part, can spout off this tribal-domain knowledge because we live it most days.

But what would be great is to have these types of nuggest of information, empiracally delineated, available without effort to those who would like to know.

Specifically, in a way format/method where you don't need to have the lexicon to be able to formulate the proper question.

Most people, even those IT people who may work for a tiny office who has very little need for anything "at scale" may not be able to ask the questions.

An analogy could be (?): "everyone knows if they need a bike, motorcycle, car, truck or bus - and everyone should be able to assess their basic computing needs as well. It should be fairly clear if you need a single machine in an office, a colo or a cloud - and figuring out a path to doing so and selecting a vendor should be a straightforward task."

Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by clarry »

samstave wrote: post #32
geofft wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few "cloud portability" companies, but the fundamental problem with this approach is that cloud providers don't offer the same APIs and pricing models. If all you want is virtual machines and block storage, you can do it, but the answer is that your site is going to be more expensive on any of the providers than if you built it for an architecture that fits your cloud. If you design for the strengths of,…

Exactly my point for the most part. The fact that you basically had to provide a ELI5 here on HN for this, shows what a dismal job we, as an industry, have done to educate the larger world as to the best-practice of cloud selection should be. We, on HN, for the most part, can spout off this tribal-domain knowledge because we live it most days. But what would be great is to have these types of nuggest of information,…

Selecting a car is not straightforward at all.

Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by gaius »

kshitij_libra wrote: post #12

Assuming a buy, gitlab becomes part of gcp offering in the coming future ? :D

GitLab is VC backed, so they have to be looking for an exit/liquidity event, it’s inescapable. Google, Atlassian (roll it into Bitbucket) or Oracle, has to be one of them.

Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by Kudos »

jacques_chester wrote: post #31
Kudos wrote: post #5

Why is it that Microsoft are ok with serving traffic from countries under embargo but Google are not? As far as I know Amazon don't follow the embargo like this with AWS traffic either.

Amazon does not actually operate any data centres in China. They contract it out, or license their brand name, I am not sure exactly which. I believe to avoid legally squiggliness between Chinese law and laws elsewhere. This causes a lot of annoyances -- lots of features are not available in Chinese "AWS" regions, or they require special treatment. When I've gotten reports about slow, incomplete or stalled downloads…

China isn't under any embargo that would apply to AWS. Amazon do this to comply with China, not the US.

Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by jacques_chester »

Kudos wrote: post #36
jacques_chester wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon does not actually operate any data centres in China. They contract it out, or license their brand name, I am not sure exactly which. I believe to avoid legally squiggliness between Chinese law and laws elsewhere. This causes a lot of annoyances -- lots of features are not available in Chinese "AWS" regions, or they require special treatment. When I've gotten reports about slow, incomplete or stalled downloads…

China isn't under any embargo that would apply to AWS. Amazon do this to comply with China, not the US.

I didn't say they were under embargo.

If they were, AWS would not be present in any form.

Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by Kudos »

jacques_chester wrote: post #37
Kudos wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China isn't under any embargo that would apply to AWS. Amazon do this to comply with China, not the US.

I didn't say they were under embargo. If they were, AWS would not be present in any form.

I don't know what part of my comment you were trying to address then.

Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by mjw1007 »

w8rbt wrote: post #2

Seems silly to move just because MS bought github. Are there other compelling reasons?

When they were talking about moving off cloud altogether, they mentioned that the reason they were on Azure in the first place was that they were given a pile of free credits.

So I suppose once those ran out it was a good idea to choose the best provider from first principles, rather than letting the inertia marketing succeed.

Re: Update on Our Planned Move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform

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Post by Kudos »

djsumdog wrote: post #18
Kudos wrote: post #5

Why is it that Microsoft are ok with serving traffic from countries under embargo but Google are not? As far as I know Amazon don't follow the embargo like this with AWS traffic either.

Aren't many of the Azure data centers actually contracted out to other independent companies in those respective countries?

That's to deal with local restrictions, not to deal with US trade embargoes.
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