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Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars

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Re: Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars

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If they were anywhere near full autonomy that LA-to-NYC demo they keep promising would have already happened.

Elon mentioned on the Q2 conference call yesterday that specific demo is easily doable. He also added that it would be sort of cheating, because that's a very defined route and he prefers it to be able to be much more dynamic. i.e. pick any two US cites and the car will drive you there.

Is "finding roads between two arbitrary cities" the hard part of self-driving?

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Just wait until they admit that they need LIDAR too... Cha Ching! Various Autopilot accidents strongly imply that whatever the computer “brain” is doing doesn’t matter if it doesn’t have sufficient “eyes” to actually see things like a fire truck, cop car, or bollard.

And yet squishy meatbags manage to sensor fuse a stereoscopic image (plus nascient sound based imaging) into a reliably rendered picture of the world...

When your "existential crisis killer sentient ai" becomes as smart as this meatbag I'll listen to Elon musk. Till then he and you are out of touch with what computers are capable of

Re: Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars

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Right now, with HW2 Tesla is in kind of an awkward no man's land where their hardware is overkill for basic ADAS, but nowhere near enough for any kind of autonomy that allows the driver to turn their attention away from the driving task. By going to a custom ASIC with inferencing. I have little doubt about Musk's claim that it'll offer a 10x improvement over the current stripped down PX Drive2 variant for deep learni…

I ordered a Tesla Model 3 yesterday. When I see the "Full Self-Driving Capability" checkbox at checkout time (it's an option you can pay $3,000 for right now) I just have zero confidence that they can deliver on this. Almost every other aspect of the car is fantastic. But Tesla's delusions about achieving full self-driving with their current approach just make me lose some respect for them. It makes me worried that t…

Are the model 3 hardware modular? For example, is it possible they’ll have you bring it to the dealer in a few years and get outfitted with these new chips?

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In the same sense that any object that can potentially kill someone (hint: everything) is a weapon. Which is technically correct but a useless observation. If we use a more narrow definition of weapon, e.g. a tool optimized for the primary purpose of injuring or killing people then it certainly is not a weapon.

As a modification of the Kzinti Lesson: A vehicle is a weapon in direct proportion to it's effectiveness as a vehicle.

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Re: Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars

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So much for no new hardware required for L5

Just wait until they admit that they need LIDAR too... Cha Ching! Various Autopilot accidents strongly imply that whatever the computer “brain” is doing doesn’t matter if it doesn’t have sufficient “eyes” to actually see things like a fire truck, cop car, or bollard.

Again with the LIDAR argument... Humans drive using only eyes (computer vision) and having a sense of location (localization/3D maps).

Early autonomous test vehicles used LIDARS because camera and compute tech are not at the same level they are today. It's a legacy system and more of a shortcut. In essence, Object recognition > LIDAR judging distances.

Yeah it's true that a vision based system is much harder to solve. However if Tesla cracks it, it will pay dividends.

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It's an option so insurance companies compare the exact same car with and without that option. In terms of paying attention I really doubt most people are doing this very well. I am going to be stuck in the car either way so by default I am going to be watching the road, but as long as my relative stress level drops that's a huge win. PS: You can make your own estimates. If people pay attention sufficient to avid acc…

But if say me+ a computer program together defeat you at chess you can't conclude that the computer is better then you, just that the computer helped me maybe in some tricky situation , you can't conclude that the computer will win without me. Same with Tesla, this is why I would like to see the number the drivers had to intervene and prevent crashes, without this number the only conclusion is about driver asist and…

Thank you for saying this. I'm tired and shocked of people not understanding such a basic thing.

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It's hard to say for sure they are no where near full autonomy in their research although their current vehicles crashing into barriers and fire trucks obviously don't cut it.

I'm only commenting on what little there is to glean about the compute, but there are so many other red flags about their autonomous development strategy. Crippling per-unit cost constraints, No Lidar, SLAM-lite, ANN heavy, insufficient redundancy and they've got a major data collection problem because they're relying on what they can get over the air. Plus Musk scared away most of their their top engineers.

Serious question- why is LIDAR so important? Obviously it’s possible to drive without it (humans do it), so it’s conceivable that eventually machines will be able to do it as well... So I’m guessing your point is, that won’t happen anytime soon and LIDAR is the fastest way to market; can you confirm/expand/clarify?

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Yes. It demonstrates that their claims have been complete BS.

You don’t have to be 100% right to be profitable and have loyal customers (clearly).

They'll still sell cars sure. But Elon musk will fall off his narcissistic pedestal. Does that matter? I dunno

Re: Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars

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Elon mentioned on the Q2 conference call yesterday that specific demo is easily doable. He also added that it would be sort of cheating, because that's a very defined route and he prefers it to be able to be much more dynamic. i.e. pick any two US cites and the car will drive you there.

There are a number of routes one can take to get from LA to NY. Elon is stalling because he knows that "Autopilot" isn't capable of making the trip.

>Elon is stalling because he knows that "Autopilot" isn't capable of making the trip.

I can only assume then that you have some kind of insider info to support your claim?

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The benefit they point out is 200fps vs. 2000fps, but is that actually that useful? In the post of OpenAO's robot, they said that improving the response times gave no significant gains. Only thing I can imagine would be allowances for wider and deeper neural nets.

I think latency makes a lot of difference when an autonomous system is interacting with the world. Take a look at this video from 2009 where they use a high speed vision system (1000fps!). The things it could do are probably unequaled even today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxjVlaLBmk The higher the speed of the system, the less it has to predict in the future and better can adapt to unforeseen situations. It's…

That is impressive, though, in the case of cars, is the minimum prediction not determined by the physics of steering and braking?
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