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Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by apatters »

asadjb wrote: post #88
apatters wrote: post #57

> our main focus is shifting from (providing a distribution for old hardware) to a (functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer.) I like Lubuntu and often use it for low powered devices and sometimes devices that aren't so low powered. This phrasing is a PR blunder in my opinion because the old focus is a lot clearer than the new focus. Here's how you sho…

I have never used Lubuntu other than trying it out a few times, so this is just going off of the content in the article. > This phrasing is a PR blunder in my opinion because the old focus is a lot clearer than the new focus To me, it seems that they ran the numbers (kudos to them for taking an empirical approach) and figured out that their original USP was now no longer unique enough, and they need to do something d…

Yep that's a great point, maybe they are not communicating what the unique benefits of Lubuntu will be in the future, or maybe they don't actually know what they'll be.

Right now Lubuntu's niche is really clear for me, if I want a lightweight, general purpose distro I use Xubuntu. If I want a really lightweight, general purpose distro I use Lubuntu. (A step beyond that if I wanted "so damn light there are probably a lot of things I don't be able to do, I would think of Puppy or Damn Small or something, neither of which I've needed to touch in a long time, not sure they're even still maintained.)

So if Lubuntu is no longer my super-light distro, erm, what is it. A competitor to Xubuntu?

(Total side note, I really love the space of light, clean, functional desktop operating systems. The most exciting development in computing for me personally would be if someone figured out how to commercialize one as a competitor to Windows and Mac. If I thought there was a good business model I'd start that company myself.)

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by vanderZwan »

manaskarekar wrote: post #31

I don't want to come across as ungrateful but I'm not very happy about this. I haven't looked into the reasons for this change but I'm sure there are some compelling ones to make such a big change. LXDE based Lubuntu struck the perfect balance (for me) between: - Being minimal and lightweight - but works out of the box with enough batteries included - tons of community resources due to being a ~buntu - very, very cus…

> Maybe LXQt will be great, may be not, but at this point it reminds me of Ubuntu 10.10 which, IMHO, was as refined as Ubuntu (or any linux distro at the time) could be, and then they just decided to throw all that maturity and refinement away and start from scratch.

I don't know if you know this, but LXDE is GTK2 based, so the decision to "throw all that maturity away" isn't quite the same here. Ubuntu bet on convergence that never happened, Lubuntu has to eventually accept that GTK2 is getting long in the tooth. And since the LXDE maintainers moved to the LXQT project, QT it is.

EDIT: Also, given the choice between GTK3 and QT, the latter is the less resource hungry IIRC, at least when sticking to the basics.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by copperx »

Animats wrote: post #94
asadjb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never used Lubuntu other than trying it out a few times, so this is just going off of the content in the article. > This phrasing is a PR blunder in my opinion because the old focus is a lot clearer than the new focus To me, it seems that they ran the numbers (kudos to them for taking an empirical approach) and figured out that their original USP was now no longer unique enough, and they need to do something d…

"Modern, Qt-based technologies?" Qt is 27 years old. It came out for Windows 3.1.

Windows is 32 years old and people still develop for it, sometimes even for profit.

And wait until you hear about Unix.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by devxpy »

woolvalley wrote: post #55
MetaDark wrote: post #47

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Not old enough? Well this makes me feel old even though I'm not. I'm 22 and my first version of Ubuntu was 8.04.

I'm guessing they got into using linux later in life. Not all of us messed with linux when we were 12 ;)

Matter of fact, I was using linux when I was 12! Actually installed ubuntu myself.

However, I wasn't into it to the extent that I could follow the linux distro culture. Don't even remember the version now; must have been 10 or 11.

There was also the fact that I had limited access to the internet in the early days (that's just how it was in India).

I was just sick of trying to make pirated software work (including windows), so was looking for something I can just download and run.

I do remember that I liked how easy it was to install games, compared to my windows desktop.

Only now, that I am familiar with software development cycles do I understand how stupid it is of Ubuntu to discontinue fully featured, polished software.

For example, Mac has changed so little over the years (haven't personally used it much), which probably is the reason why it's so much more mature as compared to linux DEs...

P.S. I am 19

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by devxpy »

bubblethink wrote: post #69
devxpy wrote: post #41

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Ubuntu 10.10, huh. I'm not old enough to have experienced that, but I can say that we have the same thing happening with 16.04 They had it almost perfect and decided to throw it all out. History does repeat itself...

>but I can say that we have the same thing happening with 16.04 Yes, 16.04 (unity 7) is peak desktop for years to come. Nothing else works quite as well for me. Luckily, you can use unity 7 with 18.04 without too much friction.

I wished I could install unity on my daily driver; solus.

Budige is great, but it's not as mature as untiy 7.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by mrweasel »

dooyogi wrote: post #100

Besides running on old hardware, the main benefit of distros like Lubuntu and Xubuntu is that they run well in VirtualBox without reliable GPU support. Ubuntu with Gnome 3 is almost unusable in VirtualBox.

When you see people recommend new Linux users that they could try Ubuntu in VirtualBox, to get familier with it, I often wonder what kind of impression they walk away with.

An modern Linux distribution in a vm, running on your laptop typically isn't all that great an experience.

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by simion314 »

manaskarekar wrote: post #31

I don't want to come across as ungrateful but I'm not very happy about this. I haven't looked into the reasons for this change but I'm sure there are some compelling ones to make such a big change. LXDE based Lubuntu struck the perfect balance (for me) between: - Being minimal and lightweight - but works out of the box with enough batteries included - tons of community resources due to being a ~buntu - very, very cus…

Because the GTK version is no longer maintained by upstream, the community was not interested on porting to GTK3 instead they will use Qt that is a better in quality and not controlled by GNOME toolkit.

So the "Blame" is not in Lubuntu community but LXDE

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by hyperpallium »

theyinwhy wrote: post #96
hyperpallium wrote: post #65

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High quality TV shows are more popular than oxygen. Unless oxygen runs out.

Yes, finally I will be able to use pen and paper again!

Higher resolution, higher contrast, tactile feedback, cheaper, lighter, thinner

Does not explode, just burns

Re: Lubuntu is taking a new direction

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Post by wila »

berti wrote: post #75
_arvin wrote: post #38

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I'm right there with you guys. I made my desktop in 2014 with a Haswell i5-4670K @ 3.4GHz. Overclocked it to 4.3GHz, and I still don't have a reason to upgrade. I really want a Ryzen 2700X also but staying patient. Newer and better hardware will keep coming out so I'm in no rush. (but my next CPU will definitely be AMD) My current thing right now is compiling the Linux kernel exactly catered to my Haswell machine, an…

In a similar boat with my old 4770k and a new RX580. I'm kicking myself for the k model though, as I would like to pass my old GPU through to a Windows VM, but the unlocked k model CPUs don't have VT-d, necessary for IOMMU.

Buy a 4th gen second hand CPU? No need to kick yourself, those are cheap now.

For example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-i7-4770-3-4GHz-Quad-Core-Syst...

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