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How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by Veelox »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #398
Veelox wrote: post #383

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> Are you suggesting we make their parents "pay" somehow? Or a program to prevent the parents from having 5+ kids when they don't have the resources? Due to the way government assistance is structured it encourages parents to 1) not get married, 2) have more kids, 3) not begin working if they don't already work. If we changed government assistance to encourage parents getting married that would help reduce fatherless…

"If we changed government assistance to encourage parents getting married that would help reduce fatherlessness and all of the negatives that come with that." That's not really a good idea. I know my godson's parents, and if they getting assistance was reliant on getting married, they would end up killing each other. "If we changed government assistance to encourage parents to have less children they would be better…

Currently as a single mother, you can qualify for more things than you can as a married mother. This puts a financial incentive to stay unmarried. This incentive should be removed.

I don't have as good of an answer for reducing children. It would probably be best to work on reducing the number of children by providing easier access to birth control.

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Post by dang »

naravara wrote: post #333
stuckinarut wrote: post #300

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better sex education, better access to contraceptives, better access to abortion. You don't punish the problem away, you help people avoid it themselves.

I like the assumption that the 5+ kids are all just due to irresponsible people popping children out and not, say, the results of generous people fostering family members who would be in even worse situations otherwise or a mother who is being raped by a partner.

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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dang wrote: post #354

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by fizwhiz »

dharmon wrote: post #226
nemo44x wrote: post #85

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I'm not a fan boy or anything but he's a rather remarkable person. To take advantage of the biological attributes he was given and work insanely hard to maximize them from a young age. All while not being distracted by all the other things that could lead to squandering his natural talents. And then not relying just on those but enhancing them through dedication and discipline. Then you throw in all the pressure he h…

And he's hilarious! I thought he stole the show in "Trainwreck".

Not sure why you're being downvoted; he actually did do a pretty good job in that movie

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by epicureanideal »

soperj wrote: post #347
freehunter wrote: post #344

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Who are you to say what charitable cause a private citizen spends their money on? Do you want to complain that Bill Gates spends money trying to cure malaria rather than remove trash from the ocean too?

no but i'll absolutely complain about the way the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation has changed the school system in the US.

I'm not familiar with their influence, but I'd love to learn about it! Please link me to more details.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by epicureanideal »

xxpor wrote: post #110
stochastic_monk wrote: post #100

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I don’t imagine most working adults would be willing to work starting so early. Why do we force children who need even more sleep to do so?

So that the adults can get to work on time.

So why don't we have kids start school at 9, adults start work at 10, kids get out of school at 5 instead of 3, adults get out of work at 6 instead of 5, problem solved???

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by gizmo686 »

wjnqx wrote: post #405
textor wrote: post #229

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For what it's worth, children from at-risk families achieve better education when the father ends up incarcerated. So we can absolutely make a case for "ripping families apart" and against supporting "families as they are". > My findings suggest that on average, parents who are on the margin of incarceration are likely to reduce the amount of schooling their child attains if they instead remain in the household. This…

I am appalled that such an assertion can be made openly. It is, frankly, simply vile to suggest that children be taken away from struggling parents by society, rather than society being obligated to help those parents raise their children. To do so would be not only criminal, but profoundly immoral.

Facts matter. Evidence matters. We should not ignore evidence because it disagrees with our ideology. And we certainly should not attack someone for trying to bring in evidence to a discussion about something as important as raising our children.

The poster you are responding to didn't even suggest a course of action. He mearly provided evidence that the "obvious" course of action might not be so obviously correct. You are free to (as another poster did) question the relevence, interperatation, or quality of the evidence, or provide other evidence or arguments to disagree with what the poster was presenting. But you should not attack someone for trying to have an evidence based discussion.

Even if he turns out to be completely wrong, figuring out how he is wrong will likely be far more enlightening than simply asserting that he is wrong on moral grounds.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by s73v3r_ »

Veelox wrote: post #411
s73v3r_ wrote: post #398

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"If we changed government assistance to encourage parents getting married that would help reduce fatherlessness and all of the negatives that come with that." That's not really a good idea. I know my godson's parents, and if they getting assistance was reliant on getting married, they would end up killing each other. "If we changed government assistance to encourage parents to have less children they would be better…

Currently as a single mother, you can qualify for more things than you can as a married mother. This puts a financial incentive to stay unmarried. This incentive should be removed. I don't have as good of an answer for reducing children. It would probably be best to work on reducing the number of children by providing easier access to birth control.

"Currently as a single mother, you can qualify for more things than you can as a married mother. This puts a financial incentive to stay unmarried. This incentive should be removed."

You're completely and utterly ignoring the fact that raising children, especially multiple ones, is an extremely difficult task, even for two people. I know of very few people who would opt to do it themselves, even if the financial incentives to do so were worth it (they aren't even close).

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by mercutio2 »

mkaziz wrote: post #47
thedufer wrote: post #33

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Not necessarily. Charter schools do much better if you measure just output, but are frequently quite average once you control for their advantageous population.

So if I want my kids to be surrounded by other, smart(er) kids / kids with engaged parents, I should send them to charter schools?

An individual parent’s incentives do tend to point in this direction, if their metric for success as a parent doesn’t include being exposed to children whose family’s aren’t as successful.

But when taken to an extreme, this leads to exclusive areas and excluded people.

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