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How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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> There are mounds of evidence that “good schools” in the US—whether traditional private, traditional public, public-subsidized private charter, or public charter—are a product of getting the right student population rather than substantive differences between schools. I think a lot of this comes down to the metrics used for gauging good schools. Which are usually test scores, graduation rates, and discipline rates.…

> Discipline rates can be meaningful, but if one school doesn't expel anybody because all the children are angels, and one school doesn't expel anybody because they haven't noticed the large numbers of murders during recess, the numbers look the same. I think any town not named Sunnydale would notice the dwindling class sizes in the latter case.

> I think any town not named Sunnydale would notice the dwindling class sizes in the latter case.

Sunnydale noticed it, too.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #254

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> I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either, a lot of the time there are single parents just trying to get by and make ends meet and don't know what more they can do. If there is a household with one parent, 5+ children, and not enough beds for them, the problem has occurred long before. One cannot blame the parent for "that day", but certainly the adult bears some responsibility for creating such…

Isn't it possible that "income, or stability" experienced a sudden drastic change at some point after birthing the 5th kid? It is conceivable that the parent did not have full control over that change.

They made the choice to have the first, second, third, and fourth kid before the fifth one. Each child is a huge lifelong expense: everyone knows this fact. Condoms, birth control, abortions: these are all available tools to give people control over human reproduction.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #249

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Based on the article it seems students are being drawn from around the district from the lowest performing schools, rather than from the area around the school.

So basically not the way government has done it for decades but based on market need, therefore it differs quite a bit from a 'public school' as it is being claimed to be?

This has been done by governments for decades with magnet schools to force desegregation.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Just yesterday I was doing some research on the state of education in my home state of California, starting with a transcript of a 2003 Morrow Report TV program titled "From first to worst." The rough gist is that California for many years was mandated to allocate approximately equal (and generally inadequate!) funding between districts to correct inequalities of opportunity between school districts. Originally, this was done by adjusting how much the state kicked in above the local district funding; after Prop 13 it became mostly a question of state allocation, since districts could no longer effectively raise their own funds.

Foundations arose as a way for parents to ensure proper funding in districts that were lucky enough to have the donors. So, thank goodness that some districts haven't fallen through the floor, but we're back in the unequal situation we were in before.

Since that 2003 report, charter schools and an update to the funding policy called the "Local Control Funding Formula" have tried to address some of the shortcomings of the equal-across-the-board policy (namely, woefully inadequate funding for districts with greater low-income and english-learning challenges), but our state still funds in the low middle of the pack or at the dirt bottom of state spending per pupil, depending on whether you take cost of living into account.

LBJ's foundation would seem to have arisen along similar lines: like CA, the state is not doing nearly enough to support its public schools, so private citizens have to try to fill the gap through philanthropy. This is great for the children of Akron, but the limitations are clear: it's one school in one corner of the state! I hope this is a shot across the bow that convinces people that raising taxes to fund education properly is not the end-all boondoggle that so many people seem to think it is. A superstar per school doesn't sound scalable to me.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

Others fall asleep immediately at school since they live with 5+ siblings and there are literally no available beds at home. I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play. Having 5+ children when you have no resources... this is the true elephant in the room. It seems talking about it gets labels thrown around. I guess it's a conversa…

It's not all about personal responsibility. Something to also consider is that the psychology of poverty also drives bad decisions [1]. Turns out the financial pressures that drive people to make bad decisions are also some of the pressures the I promise school is trying to alleviate.

[1]: http://review.chicagobooth.edu/behavioral-science/2018/artic...

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

> I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either, a lot of the time there are single parents just trying to get by and make ends meet and don't know what more they can do. If there is a household with one parent, 5+ children, and not enough beds for them, the problem has occurred long before. One cannot blame the parent for "that day", but certainly the adult bears some responsibility for creating such…

Life is full of much more complicated scenarios. A friend of mine recently passed away from cancer. Her 2 kids will now go live with someone else, who already have kids of their own, and are now taking on a very significant financial burden that they could not have planned for. How would you view this family that suddenly has more kids than they can afford?

Some things actually do just "happen", like weather.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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>Also, is it personal responsibility if the state has put the parent in a situation where they will be systematically stripped of resources? That is hardly the only problem. Society isn't at fault for all of the ills of low income areas.

This is such a strange sentiment to me. Surely as a society there are many situations for which we take responsibility without assuming guilt?

I didn't mean to say people who aren't directly responsible should shrug their shoulders and move on. I have this discussion with my wife often. How the hell do you help kids who have little to no support structure at home?

Our federal and local governments often make it harder for these people, and I'm all for fixing that (with my notion of what a "fix" looks like of course.) That's not the entire story though; how do you make fathers stick around? How do you solve for poverty? You don't, at least, we have never been able to do so, and now you get into philosophical territory about whether or not that's even possible.

My issue is that I have no idea how to fix it. Pumping more money into low income schools is not a cure-all. Don't get me wrong, it can help, but we have many cases where it made little to no difference because teachers and iPads can't do it all.

Anyways, that's a lot of rambling. My point is that I don't think the sentiment of "these people are oppressed" (which is what I assume most mean when they say it's "society's fault") is correct. It's far more complicated than that.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

> I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either, a lot of the time there are single parents just trying to get by and make ends meet and don't know what more they can do. If there is a household with one parent, 5+ children, and not enough beds for them, the problem has occurred long before. One cannot blame the parent for "that day", but certainly the adult bears some responsibility for creating such…

Right, and the best way to fix that problem is by taking away easy access to contraceptives and eliminating sexual education from schools. And while we're at it let's overturn Roe vs. Wade.

If we just pray a little harder, people will stop having kids! Teenagers will stop having sex! Condoms will stop breaking!

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it possible that "income, or stability" experienced a sudden drastic change at some point after birthing the 5th kid? It is conceivable that the parent did not have full control over that change.

They made the choice to have the first, second, third, and fourth kid before the fifth one. Each child is a huge lifelong expense: everyone knows this fact. Condoms, birth control, abortions: these are all available tools to give people control over human reproduction.

The availability of abortions can be severely limited depending on which state you live in.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it possible that "income, or stability" experienced a sudden drastic change at some point after birthing the 5th kid? It is conceivable that the parent did not have full control over that change.

They made the choice to have the first, second, third, and fourth kid before the fifth one. Each child is a huge lifelong expense: everyone knows this fact. Condoms, birth control, abortions: these are all available tools to give people control over human reproduction.

Just gonna drop this here, re: the availability of abortion services: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abor...
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