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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by mixedCase » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:42 PM UTC

swasheck wrote: post #197

mikepurvis wrote: post #185

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This is such a strange sentiment to me. Surely as a society there are many situations for which we take responsibility without assuming guilt?

I do wish that this comment could serve as the banner comment for this post. It's such an immature response to assume that because you're taking responsibility to resolve or address something that it implies that you're to blame for it having occurred in the first place. This mentality is pervasive in the elementary and middle schools that my kids attend and it's unfortunate that adults haven't grown out of it. Thank…

> True leadership says that we need to work toward fixing the problem, while selfish ambition says, "not my fault, not my problem."

The sad reality is that in the other hand, thanks to the ever present tragedy of the commons, there are selfish people that take advantage of this thinking "someone will fix it, doesn't matter if I contribute to the problem for my own benefit".

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by verall » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:43 PM UTC

e40 wrote: post #96

roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

Others fall asleep immediately at school since they live with 5+ siblings and there are literally no available beds at home. I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play. Having 5+ children when you have no resources... this is the true elephant in the room. It seems talking about it gets labels thrown around. I guess it's a conversa…

I don't see how this is an elephant in the room or a conversation we can't have right now. Lets.

What, besides providing extra resources to underpriveleged children so they are not punished for their parents mistakes, can be done?

Are you suggesting we make their parents "pay" somehow? Or a program to prevent the parents from having 5+ kids when they don't have the resources?

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by jampekka » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:44 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #151

e40 wrote: post #96

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Others fall asleep immediately at school since they live with 5+ siblings and there are literally no available beds at home. I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play. Having 5+ children when you have no resources... this is the true elephant in the room. It seems talking about it gets labels thrown around. I guess it's a conversa…

You're getting downvoted, and maybe most of that is a sentiment of "we have to deal with the problem at hand", which is absolutely the only thing an outsider can do, but you're not wrong. My wife works in a low income school, largest and poorest in the area (a relatively large city.) Pumping more money in does not help. More after school problems does not help much. As far as academic achievement is concerned, these…

So what's the proposal to solve the "problem at hand"? Continue beating the kids and their parents until morale improves?

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by staunch » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:45 PM UTC

e40 wrote: post #96

roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

Others fall asleep immediately at school since they live with 5+ siblings and there are literally no available beds at home. I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play. Having 5+ children when you have no resources... this is the true elephant in the room. It seems talking about it gets labels thrown around. I guess it's a conversa…

> At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play.

It actually doesn't. Everyone is a responsible as they're capable of being, given their genetics and their environment. If you're a very responsible person it's because you were fortunate to have your particular genetics and/or environment.

Some people are born into terrible environments but have the genetic luck to be highly responsible. Some people are born into great environments but have the genetic misfortune to be highly irresponsible.

No one chooses to be responsible or irresponsible.

The onus is on the genetically/environmentally lucky people to help the unlucky ones. There's absolutely no shame in being unlucky and no pride in being lucky. There isn't much the lucky people can do to improve genetics (yet) but there's a lot that can be done to improve environments.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by anonuser123456 » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:47 PM UTC

Nokinside wrote: post #80

BurningFrog wrote: post #72

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Warren is not a great thinker on Economics issues. Good or bad school districts only change the relative prices. It doesn't alter the total amount of housing per population. In other words, anyone moving to a house in a good school district leaves an empty house in a worse one.

Warren is academic expert bankruptcy and commercial law. She is third most cited academic in her specialty. She is pretty good at economics especially when it comes to consumer behavior and one of the best politicians overall. "The Vanishing Middle Class" (2007) is a good book.

The fact that she is an expert in bankruptcy and commercial law should make you extremely skeptical of her economics credentials. She spends her time in that domain, not the domain of macroeconomics.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by s73v3r_ » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:48 PM UTC

JackFr wrote: post #161

Terrible writing alert: "Per the state of Ohio, Akron’s schools were given just $10,028 in state and local funds per student in 2016 — more than the statewide average, but still a relatively low figure for a city of a little under 200,000." Relative to what? You've already told us it was higher than the state average. To call it relatively lower means that there are some who receive more, but we're in the dark as to…

"Relative to what? "

To other cities of it's size? It's pretty clear what it means.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by fhood » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:49 PM UTC

awelkie wrote: post #207

fhood wrote: post #109

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She is also a consummate politician, who has been known to say misleading and inflammatory things for political gain. She has also been busy steaming leftwards, a move that may endear her to young hyper-liberal voters, but does very little to help my country move past the political chasm that has opened up, and is crippling our government. I don't think that she is a bad person, but I do believe that she is bad for A…

Not to get too off topic, but I have a hard time blaming the left for the current political divide in the United States. Saying that someone who pushes leftwards is bad for American politics because they're not closer to the "center" seems like promoting a false equivalence.

I agree, and I don't blame the left as much as I blame the right. I do however think that exacerbating the divide is a bad thing.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by kingbirdy » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:49 PM UTC

Nokinside wrote: post #39

Elizabeth Warren pointed out that the US housing crisis was partly caused by inflated house prices in good public school districts. Middle income families were paying the education of their children in high property price. Maybe LeBron should invest into the property around the school to reap some of the benefits and use them to finance the school. Holistic property development.

Based on the article it seems students are being drawn from around the district from the lowest performing schools, rather than from the area around the school.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by fhood » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:49 PM UTC

s73v3r_ wrote: post #210

fhood wrote: post #109

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She is also a consummate politician, who has been known to say misleading and inflammatory things for political gain. She has also been busy steaming leftwards, a move that may endear her to young hyper-liberal voters, but does very little to help my country move past the political chasm that has opened up, and is crippling our government. I don't think that she is a bad person, but I do believe that she is bad for A…

"but does very little to help my country move past the political chasm that has opened up, and is crippling our government." The Right has never seemed interested in engaging the Left. So why is it now the Left's fault that they are recognizing that, and showing less interest in engaging the Right?

Because we aren't trying to win an argument here. It isn't about being in the right or winning, it is about successfully running a country.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by travmatt » Wed, Aug 01, 2018, 4:49 PM UTC

yardie wrote: post #179

EpicEng wrote: post #151

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You're getting downvoted, and maybe most of that is a sentiment of "we have to deal with the problem at hand", which is absolutely the only thing an outsider can do, but you're not wrong. My wife works in a low income school, largest and poorest in the area (a relatively large city.) Pumping more money in does not help. More after school problems does not help much. As far as academic achievement is concerned, these…

I come from one of those large, poor inner city schools. The money and after school programs absolutely help. I am a product of those after school programs. That additional money paid for musical instruments, sports, computers, and transportation. I feel personally insulted when people say we shouldn't fund these afterschool programs because they don't feel they are working.

Oddly enough, it’s usually the people not actually involved who are the experts on why we need to take more away from them.