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How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Terrible writing alert:

"Per the state of Ohio, Akron’s schools were given just $10,028 in state and local funds per student in 2016 — more than the statewide average, but still a relatively low figure for a city of a little under 200,000."

Relative to what? You've already told us it was higher than the state average. To call it relatively lower means that there are some who receive more, but we're in the dark as to who they are.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

#162

The #1 factor for improving schools would be public school choice. Competition makes the participants in any system better. The schools need to use a lottery for acceptance of students. We can drop all the regulation around testing results and simply let people choose which public school they go to. Some schools will be great and have a lot of demand. Some schools will be crap and will have little demand and they sho…

If the following are true: 1) children in different areas have similar poverty levels and home lives 2) schools in different areas are funded adequately 3) the quality of teachers and administrators are independent of funding

then, improving competition would help parents pick the right schools for their kids, improving educational outcomes.

However, 1 and 2 are definitely not true, and I think 3 is not true as well (higher salaries attract good teachers.)

If you want to improve education outcomes in the US, you must improve funding for schools in poor areas, increase incomes for parents (possibly with a child allowance), reduce discriminatory law enforcement that disproportionately targets poor and minority parents, and much more.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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First: longer days worries me if they aren't starting later. American schools start WAY TOO EARLY and probably make children chronically tired because of this. See https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/back-to-schoo... Second: Even if this school has good results, it seems unlikely that it will scale well, because it's relying on more money (from outside donors, etc.). You can't throw more money at a problem…

This feeds into the 'if everybody can't succeed, then put up roadblocks to anybody succeeding'. Sometimes charter schools are there to do exactly what's been described there: create at least one good school. Because the public system is largely underfunded/broken. To defy this impulse because it isn't replicable, is to deny the part the govt plays in creating the broken public schools.

The United States funds public education almost more than any other country in the world per student.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

#164
In related news, RAND just finished its study of the Gates Foundation's "Intensive Partnerships for Effective Teaching initiative".

RAND found that "With minor exceptions, by 2014–2015, student achievement, access to effective teaching, and dropout rates were not dramatically better than they were for similar sites that did not participate".

It's refreshing to see a holistic approach to helping at-risk students, instead of assuming that teachers are the most important component. Good nutrition, safe transport to school, and support for parents all seem like ideas that should be more experimented with.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2242.html

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for 2 years as an AmeriCorps volunteer in Atlanta Public Schools. I'll preface this by saying I don't know if I believe charter schools are bad or good, but here are some arguments against them: - Charter schools take money away from neighborhood public schools. Most schools are funded per-capita, so fewer students means less money. But many costs are fixed/discrete (e.g. school nurse costs N thousand dollar…

That's a pretty good summary of the common anti-charter arguments. A few counter-arguments to the above: - Charter schools expand choice for low-income families. If your public school sucks and your family is doing well, you can always move elsewhere or go to private school. If you're from a poor family, charter schools are your only escape valve - Maybe it's bad for the public school, but it's good for the high perf…

>The vast majority of charter schools are non-profit.

According to this article [1], schools can technically be registered as a non-profit, but contract out day to day operations to a for-profit management company owned by the same people who run the non-profit.

This setup allows the school to take in tax free donations, but it means that from a profit motive standpoint it's identical to a for-profit school.

I have no idea how common this is, but it does mean that it's not quite as simple as saying that the vast majority are non-profit.

1. https://ourfuture.org/20170615/are-nonprofit-charter-schools...

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

#167

First: longer days worries me if they aren't starting later. American schools start WAY TOO EARLY and probably make children chronically tired because of this. See https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/back-to-schoo... Second: Even if this school has good results, it seems unlikely that it will scale well, because it's relying on more money (from outside donors, etc.). You can't throw more money at a problem…

The reason the school days are long is because the kids generally have nowhere to go and are susceptible to gang violence or other trouble since there are rarely adults who can pick them up at 3. It is trying to give them shelter and a place to stay out of trouble.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

#168

First: longer days worries me if they aren't starting later. American schools start WAY TOO EARLY and probably make children chronically tired because of this. See https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/back-to-schoo... Second: Even if this school has good results, it seems unlikely that it will scale well, because it's relying on more money (from outside donors, etc.). You can't throw more money at a problem…

"You can't throw more money at a problem, then declare you've come up with a general solution."

Yes you absolutely can!

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

#169

First: longer days worries me if they aren't starting later. American schools start WAY TOO EARLY and probably make children chronically tired because of this. See https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/back-to-schoo... Second: Even if this school has good results, it seems unlikely that it will scale well, because it's relying on more money (from outside donors, etc.). You can't throw more money at a problem…

This feeds into the 'if everybody can't succeed, then put up roadblocks to anybody succeeding'. Sometimes charter schools are there to do exactly what's been described there: create at least one good school. Because the public system is largely underfunded/broken. To defy this impulse because it isn't replicable, is to deny the part the govt plays in creating the broken public schools.

Public schools have been doing this for decades. Creating at least one good school for high intellect students. They are called magnet, governor's school, or experimental school. Where it is hoped the teaching methods tried there can be passed into the broader public school system.

Charter schools do not share that motivation. If they find a teaching method that works better their objective is not to share to but instead use it to capitalize and enrich themselves.

Finally, charter schools are publicly funded. If they are taking tax-payer money the results should absolutely be replicable.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live they are often attended by white students to avoid public schools that have sizable black student populations. There are many benefits and drawbacks to charter schools. The conditions in my area are not universal to other parts of the country.

Demographics of charter schools vary widely by state - https://ballotpedia.org/Charter_school_demographics There seems to be a prevailing notion that they are enclaves for scared white parents, but the reality is a bit more complex than that.

That's why I was careful to say these are the conditions only in my immediate region. In my opinion grouping this by State is too macro. There are charter schools in my area predominantly attended by black students but they are central and easily accessible. There are charter schools further away from the city center that require additional travel that is simply not as affordable to lower income students. The numbers at a state level would show a more distributed attendance by race that the reality does not reflect.
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