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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

mkaziz wrote: post #47
thedufer wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily. Charter schools do much better if you measure just output, but are frequently quite average once you control for their advantageous population.

So if I want my kids to be surrounded by other, smart(er) kids / kids with engaged parents, I should send them to charter schools?

It depends how much you weigh “Does the charter school actually teach my child better than a public school”(statistically, no, and they might even teach worse!) and also “do I care about exposing my child to people they’re different from”(ie. Avoiding them being stuck in a bubble) and also “am I unable to find another environment for intellectual pursuits”(clubs, extracurriculars, etc. when I was young there were definitely after-school schooling available for smart kids, and at school you can stay late for science teachers to teach you more science).

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by steventhedev »

BurningFrog wrote: post #72
Nokinside wrote: post #39

Elizabeth Warren pointed out that the US housing crisis was partly caused by inflated house prices in good public school districts. Middle income families were paying the education of their children in high property price. Maybe LeBron should invest into the property around the school to reap some of the benefits and use them to finance the school. Holistic property development.

Warren is not a great thinker on Economics issues. Good or bad school districts only change the relative prices. It doesn't alter the total amount of housing per population. In other words, anyone moving to a house in a good school district leaves an empty house in a worse one.

> In other words, anyone moving to a house in a good school district leaves an empty house in a worse one.

Exactly. More demand for a fixed supply in the "good" school district, reduced demand for a fixed supply in the "bad" one. Property taxes are in some part based on the demand for houses as reflected in the assessment price. So even assuming that the market keeps those houses occupied by owners, long term the trend will be towards larger tax revenues for the good district, which drives a larger budget for education, which in turn attracts more demand for the homes.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by so33 »

gnat wrote: post #81
masklinn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Longer school days, 3 meals, and a longer school year helps students stay focused. The middle one is absolutely true, the other two I really doubt e.g. in Finland or Germany, schoolday starts around 9AM and ends around 2PM, yielding 3h30 to 4h studies a day accounting for breaks, 5 days/week, with little homework (maybe 5h/week total). Afternoon is usually dedicated to clubs.

And research consistently shows that teenagers perform better if you start school later in the day than 7am. E.g., http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0192636502086633... "shifted the school start timefrom 7:15 a. m. to 8:40 a. m. This article examines that change, finding significant benefits such as improved attendance and enrollment rates, less sleeping in class, and less student-reported depression." http…

From the article linked in the article:

https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/education/i-promise-school-a...

>I Promise kids’ school days will start an hour later than their peers. They’ll also receive an additional hour after school every day called the “illumination period,” which will be a time for extra mentoring, studying or club activities.

Not only does the school day start an hour later, the extra time in the day comes from support of extracurricular activities.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by Nokinside »

BurningFrog wrote: post #72
Nokinside wrote: post #39

Elizabeth Warren pointed out that the US housing crisis was partly caused by inflated house prices in good public school districts. Middle income families were paying the education of their children in high property price. Maybe LeBron should invest into the property around the school to reap some of the benefits and use them to finance the school. Holistic property development.

Warren is not a great thinker on Economics issues. Good or bad school districts only change the relative prices. It doesn't alter the total amount of housing per population. In other words, anyone moving to a house in a good school district leaves an empty house in a worse one.

My other reply was only reply to your Ad hominem.

The actual point you make:

> anyone moving to a house in a good school district leaves an empty house in a worse one.

This is correct only if you consider hosing availability. When the housing contains additional value (value of education) the value of housing can increase in absolute. Include the added value from education and you see the point.

Example:

(value of housing) + (value of public education in the district) = combined value of the property

   Year 1997:
   District A: 100 + 20 = 120 
   District B: 100 + 20 = 120

   Year 2007:
   District A:  90 + 20 = 110 
   District B: 110 + 40 = 150

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by BurningFrog »

Nokinside wrote: post #80
BurningFrog wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Warren is not a great thinker on Economics issues. Good or bad school districts only change the relative prices. It doesn't alter the total amount of housing per population. In other words, anyone moving to a house in a good school district leaves an empty house in a worse one.

Warren is academic expert bankruptcy and commercial law. She is third most cited academic in her specialty. She is pretty good at economics especially when it comes to consumer behavior and one of the best politicians overall. "The Vanishing Middle Class" (2007) is a good book.

Warren is a lawyer, not an economist.

Her academic career in that field is very impressive, but that has nothing to with an understanding of the science of Economics, which is notoriously full of counterintuitive and misunderstood truths.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by e40 »

roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

Others fall asleep immediately at school since they live with 5+ siblings and there are literally no available beds at home. I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either

At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play. Having 5+ children when you have no resources... this is the true elephant in the room. It seems talking about it gets labels thrown around. I guess it's a conversation we can't have right now, though.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by lexs »

e40 wrote: post #96
roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

Others fall asleep immediately at school since they live with 5+ siblings and there are literally no available beds at home. I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play. Having 5+ children when you have no resources... this is the true elephant in the room. It seems talking about it gets labels thrown around. I guess it's a conversa…

Personal responsibility of the parent sure, but the child can't exactly ask to not be born.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by misterbowfinger »

The most interesting and promising part of this school is the support for parents:

> Parents can use the institution’s job and family services, study through its GED program, or design meals at the on-site food bank to cook at home.

This solution seems way more holistic. It might totally fall on its face, but I'm really interested to see how it turns out.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by masklinn »

organsnyder wrote: post #69
masklinn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Longer school days, 3 meals, and a longer school year helps students stay focused. The middle one is absolutely true, the other two I really doubt e.g. in Finland or Germany, schoolday starts around 9AM and ends around 2PM, yielding 3h30 to 4h studies a day accounting for breaks, 5 days/week, with little homework (maybe 5h/week total). Afternoon is usually dedicated to clubs.

For kids with unstable home environments, I think it's valuable to give them more time at school. Hopefully, the extra time includes ample opportunities for arts, sports, clubs, and other "non-academic" pursuits.

Sure but that's not how I interpret "longer school days" which sounds like more time butt-in-seat.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by stochastic_monk »

gnat wrote: post #81
masklinn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Longer school days, 3 meals, and a longer school year helps students stay focused. The middle one is absolutely true, the other two I really doubt e.g. in Finland or Germany, schoolday starts around 9AM and ends around 2PM, yielding 3h30 to 4h studies a day accounting for breaks, 5 days/week, with little homework (maybe 5h/week total). Afternoon is usually dedicated to clubs.

And research consistently shows that teenagers perform better if you start school later in the day than 7am. E.g., http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0192636502086633... "shifted the school start timefrom 7:15 a. m. to 8:40 a. m. This article examines that change, finding significant benefits such as improved attendance and enrollment rates, less sleeping in class, and less student-reported depression." http…

I don’t imagine most working adults would be willing to work starting so early. Why do we force children who need even more sleep to do so?
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