Live data from Hacker News

How America Uses Its Land

bloomberg.com

121–130 of 244 posts

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#121
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure the Oregon high desert is really good at being high desert. Does the Mojave have to be useful to humans to be a valuable thing?

>Does the Mojave have to be useful to humans to be a valuable thing? Yes, humans are the only creatures we know of with the concept of valuing land.

Well, I value both the Mojave and the Oregon High Desert as unique places in the world. Not everything needs to have a ROI, usefulness, or our permission to be valuable.

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#122
post #84
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suicide rates tend to be lower in developing countries. Don't you think that lifestyle is part of the reason? https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/535557fc6bb3f78245a35...

To quote a smart person I know: “Yeah, sure, you could give up, but then who’s gonna feed the kids?” When your life is hand to mouth, there’s not a lot of room left for suicidal stuff. Too busy surviving. Especially if there’s people depending on you. Even if you’re suicidal, you don’t have the luxury to go through with it. And even if you’re depressed, you don’t have the luxury to give into it. Because if you do, th…

Or, such places handle social interaction better. Birth rates decline in developed areas. My pet hypothesis is that “developed” countries/areas are only developed through extracting so much from workers that only a selected subset may reproduce.

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#123
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a developing country. People regularly kill animals to eat. They will have chickens, ducks, rats, fish, turtles, dogs, and pigs that they raise and eat. There is no "communing with nature". There is no "paying the blood price". There is certainly no "greater love and understanding of nature" or "meaning in their lives". It is just eating, living, surviving.

Suicide rates tend to be lower in developing countries. Don't you think that lifestyle is part of the reason? https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/535557fc6bb3f78245a35...

> Don't you think that lifestyle is part of the reason?

Or lifespan. Cancer rates are also really low in many super-impoverished countries. Few survive long enough to get it.

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#124
post #122
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote a smart person I know: “Yeah, sure, you could give up, but then who’s gonna feed the kids?” When your life is hand to mouth, there’s not a lot of room left for suicidal stuff. Too busy surviving. Especially if there’s people depending on you. Even if you’re suicidal, you don’t have the luxury to go through with it. And even if you’re depressed, you don’t have the luxury to give into it. Because if you do, th…

Or, such places handle social interaction better. Birth rates decline in developed areas. My pet hypothesis is that “developed” countries/areas are only developed through extracting so much from workers that only a selected subset may reproduce.

Or, y'know, developed countries have more access to birth control...

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#125
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, such places handle social interaction better. Birth rates decline in developed areas. My pet hypothesis is that “developed” countries/areas are only developed through extracting so much from workers that only a selected subset may reproduce.

Or, y'know, developed countries have more access to birth control...

I think this js the main reason. Most people here get children unplanned and the minority of them are rich.

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#126
post #48

The one third being used for cows is misleading. Pasture is basically the Bureau of Land Management’s default use for the vast swaths of federal land. It’s like “here is this land, you’re allowed to graze on it with a permit.” That doesn’t produce that many cows—it’s more about politics and the fact that much of the land is good for little else besides growing grass. The real land use from growing meat comes from the…

I think a better map would be to show how much land is in private hands versus held by Federal and State governments. I bet people would be shocked, see this article from 2016 [1]

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/federal...

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#127

Excellent well presented interesting analytical article. No surprise (but still remarkable) that Americans use more land for Golf than growing vegetables. Tragic though the insane amount of land used to grow biofuel, must be one of the most idiotic decisions ever made by politicians, cow towing to the anti (life giving) CO2 cult.

Do cows generate more greenhouse gas when you tow them ?

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#128
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a developing country. People regularly kill animals to eat. They will have chickens, ducks, rats, fish, turtles, dogs, and pigs that they raise and eat. There is no "communing with nature". There is no "paying the blood price". There is certainly no "greater love and understanding of nature" or "meaning in their lives". It is just eating, living, surviving.

Suicide rates tend to be lower in developing countries. Don't you think that lifestyle is part of the reason? https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/535557fc6bb3f78245a35...

I have noticed that too and I think it one reason may be that once you're freed from the "carnal" struggles of basic day-to-day survival, you tend to run into existential dread sooner or later and question the pointlessness of it all.

The struggles of developing countries are just another form of the distractions that people need to keep themselves from nurturing suicidal thoughts.

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#129
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, such places handle social interaction better. Birth rates decline in developed areas. My pet hypothesis is that “developed” countries/areas are only developed through extracting so much from workers that only a selected subset may reproduce.

Or, y'know, developed countries have more access to birth control...

You’re pointing out the mechanism. I’m talking about why people choose to not have children. This is not a disagreement.

Re: How America Uses Its Land

#130
post #71
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inequality in land ownership has been continuously increasing in the United States since the 1930s. Higher property tax rates on land ownership are needed to reverse it, as well as the elimination of property tax exemptions which the owners of non-profits, private forests, golf courses, etc are currently receiving.

Wait, if you want people on the lower end of the economic scale to own land, why would you want to punish them with higher property taxes?

Good question. It should be a progressive tax
Post reply on HN