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Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales

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Re: Ex-SolarCity employees: We were fired after reporting millions in fake sales

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IIRC, it reduces certain noxious components of air pollution like particulates at the cost of more CO2

It lowers actual octane rating, thus increasing air pollution ever so slightly. An engine designed entirely for ethanol, not one that just merely takes a mix but is meant for gasoline, would be higher efficiency and be worth it.

Ethanol has a higher octane rating (113 RON) than petroleum, but is less energy dense (so lowers mpg.)

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Ok. But the "working class" people who voted Trump in don't get to see any of those gains. They at best got a one time bonus, which is still taxed at higher rates, and in exchange, they get cuts to many of the services they rely on.

The gains to the working class is seen in the lowest unemployment numbers ever, a rising workforce participation rate, and starting to see the first wage growth for the working class in decades. That’s because that extra 33% in our bank balance means more marketing spending, more inventory, more open reqs for hiring sale, marketing, support, and engineering, etc. etc. E.g. This WSJ post which is also on the front pag…

"The gains to the working class is seen in the lowest unemployment numbers ever"

Which isn't being accompanied by wage gains, and were going up long before the tax cuts happened.

"That’s because that extra 33% in our bank balance means more marketing spending, more inventory, more open reqs for hiring sale, marketing, support, and engineering, etc. etc."

Which is great, except the vast majority of companies are using that 33% for stock buybacks.

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I don't believe I did. It's not a conspiracy to point out that if the press is doing their job now by investigating things, they were not doing their job for years previously. If you don't do what you're supposed to for years, then suddenly change, is it a conspiracy to think that something caused that change? It's not crazy to point out that the press hates Donald Trump, and that Donald Trump loves Elon Musk. It's a…

Considering there's no evidence whatsoever to back up your second paragraph, yes, it is crazy to point it out.

No evidence that hacks go where the wind is blowing? That's just the history of journalism.

No evidence for the press hating Trump? Have you been alive for the past year and a half? Multiple journalists have compared him to Hitler and Stalin. I don't remember that happening before. It's understandable and clearly mutual in this case, though - check out how many places talk about his 'war on the press.'

No evidence for people souring on tech? Maybe you haven't been seeing the same things I have, but the narrative went from 'criminals are using facebook to target grandma' to 'facebook is criminal and rigging elections, and your apps might be too.' There's a reason for this and it's pretty justified, but it should really have happened years ago, when every startup was collecting every bit of data it could without any protection or thought to what they would use it for.

When tech started dominating the S&P 500, it went from being the land of outsiders and upstarts to the new robber barons. Check out how many articles talk about a new gilded age now.

No evidence for Musk provoking journalists? Just look at his twitter.

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Ok. But the "working class" people who voted Trump in don't get to see any of those gains. They at best got a one time bonus, which is still taxed at higher rates, and in exchange, they get cuts to many of the services they rely on.

The gains to the working class is seen in the lowest unemployment numbers ever, a rising workforce participation rate, and starting to see the first wage growth for the working class in decades. That’s because that extra 33% in our bank balance means more marketing spending, more inventory, more open reqs for hiring sale, marketing, support, and engineering, etc. etc. E.g. This WSJ post which is also on the front pag…

> E.g. This post which is also on the front page: “U.S. Workers Get Biggest Pay Increase in Nearly a Decade”

You mean this one [0] that was flagged off the front page afte the discussion thread pointed out it was using figures not adjusted for inflation, where the inflation-adjusted figured show a decline of 0.1% percent in wages?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17655634

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I don't believe I did. It's not a conspiracy to point out that if the press is doing their job now by investigating things, they were not doing their job for years previously. If you don't do what you're supposed to for years, then suddenly change, is it a conspiracy to think that something caused that change? It's not crazy to point out that the press hates Donald Trump, and that Donald Trump loves Elon Musk. It's a…

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I don’t think it’s done intentionally to make companies look bad. It’s just the inevitable result of two conflicting goals: to reach out for comment from the subject of the article, and to publish as quickly as possible.

ArsTechnica also does this routinely and they often post substantial updates (e.g. updating the title, bumping it back up on the homepage) once they get a response, so I’m really skeptical of claims that this is anything other than the balance you described.

Who's going to read the article in two days time when it's been corrected based on "new information" to say that all the claims are complete fabrications?

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See also the Ben & Jerry's management salary thing.

Which is what?

Back in the early days, Ben & Jerry's had a policy limiting upper management salary to a (small) multiplier of the pay of line workers. They were subsequently "unable to hire qualified management" and removed that policy. It was a minor kerfluffle.

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> Increased economic destruction by hurricanes (whether worsened by fossil fuels or not) is due to government providing economic incentives to construct in coastal areas subject to hurricane damage. No, infrastructure built to hurricane standards 50 years ago might be perfectly strong to stand against current storms of the time. If increased storm strength is cause by fossil fuels (and that likelyhood is strongly sup…

> Shouldn't that industry have to pay? The US government says they shouldn't have to pay. I doubt there is enough data to state empirically that storm 'intensity' has increased substantially over the last 50 years relative to the last 1000. We don't have a system in place to account for every environmental impact made by people. Is everyone that has ever dug a hole in the ground responsible in some small way for soil…

So which is it? Do we have to carefully consider "subsidy" of some activities, or are we throwing up our hands and saying "we don't have a system in place to account for environmental impacts"? I would say economic impacts (instead of environmental) made by political decisions?

> The cost of homes is not necessarily rising but being more fairly distributed to those who choose to live in high-insurance areas.

I would dispute that claim. If a 200 year old plantation house in the south now has to be rebuilt to handle more extreme weather due to expanded areas of storm incursions are we to blame the "choice" of the current owners? This is to some degree a pretend level of market "choice" by people living in regions of the nation. What if a family has handed down that house for generations. Did they make a choice of any sort? But they'll have to bear the cost of the upgraded durability of the building beyond that of regular maintenance. Public city infrastructure is the same way - incurring completely unneccessary upgrade costs due to non-choice climate change.

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The gains to the working class is seen in the lowest unemployment numbers ever, a rising workforce participation rate, and starting to see the first wage growth for the working class in decades. That’s because that extra 33% in our bank balance means more marketing spending, more inventory, more open reqs for hiring sale, marketing, support, and engineering, etc. etc. E.g. This WSJ post which is also on the front pag…

"The gains to the working class is seen in the lowest unemployment numbers ever" Which isn't being accompanied by wage gains, and were going up long before the tax cuts happened. "That’s because that extra 33% in our bank balance means more marketing spending, more inventory, more open reqs for hiring sale, marketing, support, and engineering, etc. etc." Which is great, except the vast majority of companies are using…

> Which is great, except the vast majority of companies are using that 33% for stock buybacks.

That’s certainly a popular talking point, but I think frankly it’s impossible;

“Publicly traded companies constitute less than 1 percent of all U.S. firms and about one-third of U.S. employment in the non-farm business sector.”

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A trend that's been growing for quite a (long!) while now is exemplified by this article: " Tesla did not respond to Ars’ request for comment on Sunday. " Who in their right minds realistically expects any organisation to respond to some random journalistic enquiry on a Sunday ? The other major variant of this shyster tactic is along the lines of, "Company X failed to respond immediately when asked for comment." No c…

It is pretty common for technical employees to be on call, why should PR be any different? In a Twitter-style world, I am surprised if a large corporation does not have someone available 24x7 to speak on behalf of the company. And in any case, how often do companies actually have a comment for a journalist? If I were writing a news story, I am not sure I would be willing to wait all that long for a response that I kn…

> In a Twitter-style world, I am surprised if a large corporation does not have someone available 24x7 to speak on behalf of the company.

Even when they do, commenting on a pending lawsuit almost unequivocally requires conference with Legal to assess whether it's sane for them to make any statement at all.

Corporate counsel is most certainly not sitting around on Sunday waiting for opportunities to consult on press releases about tort claims.

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