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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#192
>How do I overcome my fear of flying?

Here's a good allegorical story that can help with that:

"There was a rich merchant, who after having been out travelling with his caravan for some time, reached the outskirts of a town. The evening was late, but he needed a few things so he sent his best servant to the market. At the market the servant happened to meet Death. It was easy to recognize the sinister face of Death, they were no more than ten meters away from each other. Death saw the servant and raised his hand. The servant instantly became terrified and fled head over heels to his master without having bought anything at all.

Back at the merchant’s tent the terrified servant told his master whom he had met at the market. The merchant immediately gave the servant one of his fastest horses and told him to ride the whole night without stopping and by dawn he would be safe in Samarkand. The servant rode as fast as the horse could carry him. That night it was only him, the horse and the glistening stars.

Early the next morning the merchant went to the market and also he happened to meet Death. The merchant, who was annoyed instead of being afraid, went straight up to Death asking what he ment by threatening his best servant. Death calmly replied “I wasn’t threatening him, I was merely greeting him. But I must say I was very surprised to see him here since I am supposed to meet him in Samarkand tonight”.

Or, to paraphrase a saying we have here, "They who are meant to drown, are resistant to any other kind of fatal incident".

We shouldn't concern ourselves with statistically insignificant odds such as of a plane crashing. Heck, a car accident is an order of magnitude more likely -- and even more so at the rate we get in cars or cross roads vs being on airplanes.

Or, to just use the words of Hunter Thompson: "Buy the ticket, take the ride".

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#193

Psychiatrist here, and long-time fearful flyer who benefited tremendously from CBT. Really impressed by the range of strategies expressed in this thread; I wanted to mention a few things: 1. No one solution will work for everyone, but it's always possible to find something that will help. CBT and its cousins work very well but aren't accessible to everyone (still waiting for a /good/ solution to that, HN) - in those…

Hi Cassowary37, I'm working on a CBT application, I would love to get your feedback on it if you have a few minutes. Would be happy to buy you a coffee via the starbucks website :)

CBT helped me a lot and I would love to be able to share it with others.

My email is johnCbogil@gmail.com

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#195
I developed a fear of flying in my late 20s. My doctor prescribed me a low dose of Xanax specifically for flying. I take it about 1-1.5 hours before takeoff and it significantly reduces my anxiety about flying.

All the techniques listed here are helpful and may solve your problem in the long term. But honestly there's nothing wrong with taking medicine, especially if it's just when you fly and it makes the experience tolerable. The only potential negative is you can't mix it with alcohol on the plane.

If the extent of your anxiety boils down to "I take Xanax when I fly" then it sounds like you're doing fine!

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're building a VR simulation of flying specifically for the purpose of overcoming fear of flying. It uses some of the same principles you mention: -Repeated exposure to a realistic flying experience (in our case, it goes gradually since it's designed for people with a fear) -Specifically learning about some of the different noises planes make -Getting exposure to the vibrations, noises, turbulence, etc that you'll…

Please, please, please, please complete this project. Like the OP, I have an ever increasing, ever debilitating, downright crippling fear of flying. It's only getting worse as I get older, and I'm already missing out on opportunities because of it. I have an Oculus Rift, and would happily pay for such a simulator.

Thank you rubicon33. Did you fill out the survey linked above? If so I'll let you know when it's ready.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're building a VR simulation of flying specifically for the purpose of overcoming fear of flying. It uses some of the same principles you mention: -Repeated exposure to a realistic flying experience (in our case, it goes gradually since it's designed for people with a fear) -Specifically learning about some of the different noises planes make -Getting exposure to the vibrations, noises, turbulence, etc that you'll…

I've been thinking about the huge potential of VR to help overcome the fear of flying for years , no joke. Glad to see someone has taken up the task! Good luck to you!

Thanks eblanshey. Let me know if you have any ideas about it!

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#199
Here's what did the trick from me: learn how a plane works. In detail, every piece. What are flaps, what are ailerons, what is lift, etc. etc. Read all the Vanity Fair articles explaining famous crashes. When you understand it all, it demystifies flying, and it's a lot easier to feel comfortable in the air.

I've almost entirely lost my fear of flying since, even in turbulence. I take about 100 flights a year and 150k miles a year.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#200
I was a very fearful flyer, couldn't stop visualizing possible accident scenarios while on an airplane, sweaty hands, grabbing the arm rest, all that. Today I rejoice the experience so much that sometimes I consider buying a ticked just for the sake of flying. I even get excited for simple short haul flights on economy, flying new airplanes, airlines etc.

At the end, it all came down to three things:

1. Learning about aviation as a hobby

As software engineer, it was very easy to get invested into learning about these wonderful machines and how everything around them works. As soon as you understand what is going around you, all the safety measures, redundancies etc., you feel more in control of your environment. Weird noises don't come as surprises anymore[1]. To help you with this I'd suggest following some aviation related channels on Youtube.[2]

2. Flying a lot

I had to spend a couple of years flying 4+ times per month. Having a ton of positive experiences on airplanes does wonders to your uncouncious fears.

3. Flying upper classes

This is a lot harder to do, depending on your financial condition. I do my best to pick a good seat for my flight, hunt for upgrades, use miles to get business/first tickets. Flying on upper classes does wonders to "soften" your experience.

[1] Some examples:

- Airbus flap actuators are usually very noisy and you can hear them if you sit close to the wings.

- Hydraulic actuators on some Airbus models make a barking noise.

- While sitting upfront on smaller planes, you can get some vibration right after liftoff due to the front landing gear spinning before it is retracted.

[2] Suggested channels:

Captain Joe: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC88tlMjiS7kf8uhPWyBTn_A

Mentour Pilot: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwpHKudUkP5tNgmMdexB3ow

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