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Why Americans Spend So Much on Health Care–In 12 Charts

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> Consumers, meanwhile, buoyed by insurance and tax breaks, have little idea how much they are really spending and little incentive to know underlying costs.

Almost weekly there's another post showing that consumers literally cannot find out costs usually because the provider cannot supply it. It's time to put a stake in the heart of the recurring blame-the-consumer trope.

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Do republican politicians, and others in charge of maintaining this healthcare farce we have, have some sort of training in "convince the downtrodden to vote for things that make their lives harder" or is it just something natural? I say this as a Wisconsin emigrant that watched my home state shoot itself in the face time and time and time again.

You do realize that it was under democratic leadership that healthcare costs shot up so much. Obamacare increased my monthly payment almost 2X.

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They spend so much, because it's basically Health Business not Care.

Yep. It's also important to understand that doctors - rightfully - still do pretty well by themselves in countries with single payer or other systems. It's all the extra insurance infrastructure that doesn't exist/rake in money hand over fist.

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Do republican politicians, and others in charge of maintaining this healthcare farce we have, have some sort of training in "convince the downtrodden to vote for things that make their lives harder" or is it just something natural? I say this as a Wisconsin emigrant that watched my home state shoot itself in the face time and time and time again.

Do democratic politicians have some sort of training in maintaining the farce that more things should be handled by government, when governments in Illinois, California, New York, etc.--democratic strongholds where Republicans cannot be pointed to as the scapegoats--are on the verge of bankruptcy?

I don't think, deep down, republicans think the current system is better. They just don't trust whatever replaces it won't be much worse. It's easy to say "if we were just like we could offer universal healthcare and also save money!" But probably has trains that are vastly better than ours despite costing less to operate. They have schools vastly better than ours that they spend less money on. Clearly there is more to the equation.

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> Consumers, meanwhile, buoyed by insurance and tax breaks, have little idea how much they are really spending and little incentive to know underlying costs. Almost weekly there's another post showing that consumers literally cannot find out costs usually because the provider cannot supply it. It's time to put a stake in the heart of the recurring blame-the-consumer trope.

I agree, but I think they are talking about a different aspect of "not knowing". Which is, I get health coverage from my employer, I go to the doctor, I get some sort of bill that seems high but not crazy, I assume that is the cost of visit. But I am not seeing the transactions behind the scene between doctor/insurer/employer that may be several times what I am directly out of pocket, but pay indirectly.

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> Consumers, meanwhile, buoyed by insurance and tax breaks, have little idea how much they are really spending and little incentive to know underlying costs. Almost weekly there's another post showing that consumers literally cannot find out costs usually because the provider cannot supply it. It's time to put a stake in the heart of the recurring blame-the-consumer trope.

It's not an either-or. Those two things are closely related.

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Do republican politicians, and others in charge of maintaining this healthcare farce we have, have some sort of training in "convince the downtrodden to vote for things that make their lives harder" or is it just something natural? I say this as a Wisconsin emigrant that watched my home state shoot itself in the face time and time and time again.

Do democratic politicians have some sort of training in maintaining the farce that more things should be handled by government, when governments in Illinois, California, New York, etc.--democratic strongholds where Republicans cannot be pointed to as the scapegoats--are on the verge of bankruptcy? I don't think, deep down, republicans think the current system is better. They just don't trust whatever replaces it won'…

It doesnt matter. These are just the general American talking points.

Fortunately since this is a global forum, people can point out that the situation in AMerica is farce.

The basic stats are just solid - every first world country does better.

You guys have the worst of all worlds, and because of America's prediliction for everything market oriented, and the absurd partisanship - you have no solutions, and are ok with people getting cured in the ER.

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Please can someone explain the USA's lack of free healthcare to me? Every time i see it suggested or attempted its immediately sabotaged by just about everyone. The NHS is one of the greatest things to come out the UK but you guys seem so opposed to the notion.

The abridged version is that they were working on it but the head of Kaiser convinced Nixon that private health insurance was a better option. Fast forward a few decades and there is too much at stake for the companies providing the care^insurance for a graceful change. Large companies also don't give a hoot because they're able to offer corporate self-insured plans which constitutes a competitive advantage against smaller employers.

My personal opinion is that the ACA was also complete garbage. Either go single payer (or at least an option to buy into a single payer) or don't go at all. The half assed approach we've ended up with is the worst combination as the individual is forced to purchase insurance in a market with perverse incentives on all sides and no real competition.

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Do republican politicians, and others in charge of maintaining this healthcare farce we have, have some sort of training in "convince the downtrodden to vote for things that make their lives harder" or is it just something natural? I say this as a Wisconsin emigrant that watched my home state shoot itself in the face time and time and time again.

Do democratic politicians have some sort of training in maintaining the farce that more things should be handled by government, when governments in Illinois, California, New York, etc.--democratic strongholds where Republicans cannot be pointed to as the scapegoats--are on the verge of bankruptcy? I don't think, deep down, republicans think the current system is better. They just don't trust whatever replaces it won'…

Is it possible both accusations are valid? i.e. "A plague on both your houses"...

Maybe it's your political class that's broken.

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