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A History of Individually Wrapped Cheese Slices (1979) [pdf]

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This topic brings up the issue of wrapping in Japan. Japan is notorious for having excessive wrapping. Individually wrapped cookies in a box with a plastic tray to hold each cookie. The bottom half of the box is sealed with a plastic tear off cover. The top of the box slides over. Then the entire box is wrapped in paper. If you purchase if they will then put it in a branded paper bag. If it's raining they will then p…

> some major major concerted national PR effort against it, getting celebrities, politicians, etc all on board pushing for months or years Why do you need PR when the parties responsible for all this wrapping are corporations ? It’s not the dagashi down the street giving you six layers of wrapping. When big corporations are doing something you don’t like, you don’t use PR to fix it. We’ve had plenty of PR about recyc…

>We’ve had plenty of PR about recycling in the US and it’s affected consumers plenty and corporations not—at—all

That pile of used tires, cardboard, scrap metal, pretty much anything that's even slightly cheaper to recycle (into the same product like in the case of paper or something else in the case of vulcanized rubbers) than to make from scratch gets recycled wherever possible because there's a profit to be skimmed off of doing so.

Taxing people or corperations into doing what you want is a messy solution with all sorts of negative externalities (e.g. cost of compliance prevents competition and innovation). If all you care about is that the negative externalities not occasionally litter the side of the highway then I guess it's a win but I'd rather pay someone to clean up trash than drive extra business for people who make their living dealing with taxes.

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For cheeses like Edam, Gouda, Emmental you can't really, they work absolutely fine stacked in a multipack. But for that sort of fake American cheese that melts beautifully onto burgers if you shipped them packaged together the slices would merge together in a warm kitchen in my experience.

With the American cheese, I've found that the white has a higher melting point than the orange, usually, so a big block of sliced white american cheese holds up well. I don't really have any idea why that would be the case, but it's definitely been my experience.

>I've found that the white has a higher melting point than the orange, usually, so a big block of sliced white american cheese holds up well.

This is my experience as well. I still buy the yellow cheese because its lower melting point is more suitable for rapidly melting over things I want to melt it over.

Even though the theoretical shelf life may be the same regardless of packaging the block of cheese in a ziplock from the deli will go bad faster than wrapped singles, probably extra air (the same way bread in a large container goes stale faster than bread in a bag) and possibly because of a difference in preservatives. In practice singles have a much longer shelf life.

Everything has tradeoffs.

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This topic brings up the issue of wrapping in Japan. Japan is notorious for having excessive wrapping. Individually wrapped cookies in a box with a plastic tray to hold each cookie. The bottom half of the box is sealed with a plastic tear off cover. The top of the box slides over. Then the entire box is wrapped in paper. If you purchase if they will then put it in a branded paper bag. If it's raining they will then p…

In South Africa, you pay for the plastic bag, unless it's not a perishable product.

In France you can't even pay for a plastic bag anymore. But you can buy one-use paper bags or reusable plastic bags.

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This topic brings up the issue of wrapping in Japan. Japan is notorious for having excessive wrapping. Individually wrapped cookies in a box with a plastic tray to hold each cookie. The bottom half of the box is sealed with a plastic tear off cover. The top of the box slides over. Then the entire box is wrapped in paper. If you purchase if they will then put it in a branded paper bag. If it's raining they will then p…

>Individually wrapped cookies in a box with a plastic tray to hold each cookie.

When used in cases where an item should be consumed sparingly anyway (as with sweets), I don't see the individual wrappers as excessive. It helps keep the food from spoiling due to exposure, thus prolonging the useful life of the product.

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Given the problems with plastic waste how can anyone justify individually wrapped cheese slices? (Constructive answers only please. I am genuinely interested in seeing if there are any arguments in favour.)

Is plastic waste that much of a problem in first world countries? We're pretty diligent with transporting our garbage to landfills where the plastic doesn't really do all that much harm. It was my impression that the vast majority of all plastic waste that ends up in the ocean comes from countries that don't have proper garbage management, where people just dump everything into the next river.

> Is plastic waste that much of a problem in first world countries?

Yes is the answer...

A lot of the plastic waste from first world countries gets shipped to Asia (very cheap; the container ships are much emptier going back...). China received so much plastic waste that in January it banned imports. Consequently shipments to other Asian countries have skyrocketed. Many of these countries have terrible records for the amount of waste plastic washed into the ocean.

Some UK statistics:

- 475,000 tonnes of household plastic waste is recycled per year

- 800,000 tonnes of plastic waste [i.e. not all household] is exported to China, Vietnam, Thailand, etc.

- Those three countries are in the top 10 for plastic waste reaching the ocean.

Sources:

- https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-plastic-polluti...

- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42456584

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Individually wrapped cheese slices could lead to less spoilage.

As someone from Wisconsin it is wrong to even call that stuff "cheese". The plastic wrapping and the contents are pretty much the same thing.

Meh, this is just snobbery. Processed American cheese is still in fact a cheese, and whether you like it or not, it has its place.

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This topic brings up the issue of wrapping in Japan. Japan is notorious for having excessive wrapping. Individually wrapped cookies in a box with a plastic tray to hold each cookie. The bottom half of the box is sealed with a plastic tear off cover. The top of the box slides over. Then the entire box is wrapped in paper. If you purchase if they will then put it in a branded paper bag. If it's raining they will then p…

In South Africa, you pay for the plastic bag, unless it's not a perishable product.

> unless it's not

I think there's one negation too many in there. You're saying that you pay for the plastic bag if it is a perishable product, which sounds backwards.

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As someone from Wisconsin it is wrong to even call that stuff "cheese". The plastic wrapping and the contents are pretty much the same thing.

Meh, this is just snobbery. Processed American cheese is still in fact a cheese, and whether you like it or not, it has its place.

It has its place. It is called the garbage.

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It's not altruism, they're just getting ahead of changes in the law. The EU announced[1] they were looking at banning single use plastics. It was after that announcement that lots of companies annoucned they were making changes. By getting ahead of the law they can brand it as doing something they didn't need to do. (Much like how UK phone companies announced they were "abolishing roaming charges" because they did it…

All of what you're describing sounds like PR to me. The fact of the matter is Starbucks are reducing plastic straws and there is no law telling them to do so.

There is in Seattle, where their corporate headquarters are located.
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