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The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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post #7

I used to think that the blockchain bubble was like the dotcom bubble, in that the core technology was actually genuinely transformative, so that even after the bubble burst and all the over-valued companies went bust, the technology would remain and continue change our lives. However, I must admit I'm starting to have my doubts now. It was 10 years in to the dotcom era that the dotcom bubble burst, and by that time…

Maybe we should consider that the blockchain's killer app is the truth. This is the case with bitcoin, since the purpose of the blockchain is to be, for example, trustless, protecting you from someone whom you don't trust lying about your bitcoin transactions. Bitcoin will show you the truth about those transactions. The blockchain also tries to protect against fraudulent double spends and do on, and this like all fr…

> Maybe we should consider that the blockchain's killer app is the truth.

That isn't any objective truth though, it's merely the consensus as defined by the majority of current participants weighed by the processing power they command.

It may seem like a subtle distinction, but I think it helps make the benefits and risks clearer.

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post #7

I used to think that the blockchain bubble was like the dotcom bubble, in that the core technology was actually genuinely transformative, so that even after the bubble burst and all the over-valued companies went bust, the technology would remain and continue change our lives. However, I must admit I'm starting to have my doubts now. It was 10 years in to the dotcom era that the dotcom bubble burst, and by that time…

You might like saito.tech. Very early stage, but it is a genuine solution to blockchain scaling that powers applications rather than apps. Be sure to check out the decentralized (on-chain) Reddit for a sense of how flexible a big-data PKI network can be.

There are other interesting projects nearing fruition like Radix and Gun that are trying to create different types of distributed databases that have some of the properties of blockchains.

Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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post #26

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Append-only/log-structured databases are worthwhile (SQL databases end up similarly structured internally). "Mining" and all the overhead it entails is only worthwhile if you need zero-trust, and few if any use cases do.

true. it's not like Governments falsify data, forge evidence and all that. It's crazy to think the world needs zero trust.

Government actions are important because of the identities involved. A statement that's non-repudiably signed with an official government key seems far more useful for holding a government to account than an anonymous consensus that "the government said this"

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I'll give you one. The year is 2010. And I am a normal citizen and I want to donate money to WikiLeaks without the banks colluding to stop my financial transaction, even though nobody has been convicted of a crime. How do you do it? The only way I can think of to do this easily (easily being the key word!) is a cryptocurrency transaction. Banks and credit card companies collude all the time in order to censor financi…

> I am a normal citizen and I want to donate money to WikiLeaks without the banks colluding to stop my financial transaction, even though nobody has been convicted of a crime. Time will tell if Wikileaks was really a noble cause, or if the banks were right all along.

Yes I’m sure they’ll accept rubles

Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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Here's the big reason I've gotten skeptical about blockchain: it seems like very few people are excited about actually using it. Almost everyone talking about it is excited about getting rich from trading currencies or starting a blockchain-based company. And plenty of people are excited about a grand vision for how it might transform society one day, or how it might solve problems they think other people might have.…

The vast majority of the "decentralized" trend is nonsense.

I met a blockchain company co-founder at a conference in Silicon Valley that we can call "Alfie" for the purposes of this post. After a brief chat at the conference Alfie graciously took me out for a nice dinner. During the dinner Alfie asked if I wanted to be an advisor to their company. Another well respected friend of mine was already tying their name to the company so I had hope that it would be reasonably legit. They told me that they had raised $30M in foreign funding

The #1 thing I have learned about advising startup founders is that if they don't communicate well then they typically don't do business well. In this case after our dinner Alfie basically vanished on me and stopped responding to my emails/messages. When Alfie finally got back in touch and offered to send the advisory agreement I told them I wanted to take it slow. That I didn't feel comfortable linking my name with their company just yet but I would help them unofficially for now. I've learned to trust my gut and never do something until I feel comfortable with tying my name to it.

A month or so after Alfie got back in touch with me another friend we can call "Sally" reached out to grab dinner in SF. Sally was at that same Silicon Valley blockchain conference that I met Alfie. Sally was visiting SF for work again so we had dinner. Sally told me that they were recently in a foreign country at another blockchain conference when Alfie couldn't muster up the funds to pay for their hotel room. Sally ended up letting Alfie stay in their room for the night.

Sally learned that Alfie has not actually closed $30M in funding yet. They had instead been verbally committed a $30M investment. They had actually raised over $1M but it was spent with all the traveling. No tech built at all. No money to build tech.

I ran into Alfie and their partners again at a NYC blockchain event a few months after that. Alfie confirmed the story but said they had now closed on the $30M. Yet they were at the event fundraising for more money.

It just doesn't add up.

Anyway, Alfie aside there are even bigger scammers out there. Lots of pump and dump nonsense.

However, I believe in the team behind ShopIn (http://www.shopin.com). The founding tech team for PriceLine is being led by a serial entrepreneur I have known for years. I think they have a reasonably good chance of proving that you can do something disruptive with blockchain.

Time will tell.

Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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I see a lot of comments concluding that the value of blockchains is trust, or truth, or decentralization. Very few seem to realize that the trust is just moved from the people running the systems, to the people programming them (either the chain developers, or the dapps, or the contracts). There's still a hefty amount of trust involved, and I still haven't seen any successful project, or one with huge goalposts which isn't trying for a moonshot of changing consumer behavior. Sure the technology is neat--SQL spawned Oracle and SAP--but it's not trillions of dollars neat.

Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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Here's the big reason I've gotten skeptical about blockchain: it seems like very few people are excited about actually using it. Almost everyone talking about it is excited about getting rich from trading currencies or starting a blockchain-based company. And plenty of people are excited about a grand vision for how it might transform society one day, or how it might solve problems they think other people might have.…

>> Almost everyone talking about it is excited about getting rich from trading currencies

Maybe, but why is it a bad thing? This can create powerful network effects. Facebook benefited from network effects derived from the fact that people want to be liked. Cryptocurrencies benefit from network effects derived from the fact that people want to get rich. The problem is that the network effects of cryptocurrency are so powerful that people didn't even need to offer an underlying product/service in order to benefit from it; I think that will change in the future though because the market is now saturated.

Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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post #10

I receive a salary in cryptocurrency for quite a long time, and I always try to be as objective and unbiased about articles on the future of blockchain and cryptocurrencies as much as I can. But articles like this truly disappoint me because there is no actual reasoning for such a strong and confident statement in the title. The whole article just says that a single encounter with a not-the-cool-tech-guy confirmed au…

Is your salary in cryptocurrency, or is it really in USD/Euros/whatever, converted to cryptocurrency at the current exchange rate on payday?

For now it's tied to EUR amount and converted on the average exchange rate for the last 5 days before payday.

Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently we trust information by the source it comes from. It’s an authority-based model. Consensus shifts that trust from authority figures to others in your group. Bottom-up trust instead of top-down.

Sorry, I should have made more clear what I mean: When Governments falsify data, in my opinion bottom-up consensus doesn't help, since governments then also could simply participate in that consensus-forming process (see 51% attack)

you think a government of Burma for example can 51% attack Ethereum? The purpose of all this is to put all their balance sheets and title deeds etc on the global blockchain not a private blockchain they control in their offices.

Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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post #81

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nobody wants to censor Uber. Think bigger. Censorship, transparency etc. Uber and Airbnb are wrong examples, they don't need those kind of things. Now think governments

That’s an interesting perspective to be sure, but let’s back up a bit. Has a blockchain proven that it can run a smaller organization yet? What happened to the DAO after all the hype and scandal? I’m not in the anti-blockchain macro-economics fiat-currency camp or anything, but is it unreasonable to say that this stuff needs a lot more time to develop? There’s no way in hell I’d go along with laws from a blockchain-g…

what do you mean a "blockchain government"? yes I would love all the laws of my country and everything else to be on a transparent unforgeable ledger for sure.
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