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Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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Um no... it's no more than 1-2% in western societies.

Do you have a reference? Not doubting it, but I’m curious to know if this is true.

I've also read 20-30%. And I was hoping to see an estimate in the article. They must have the data, right?

Edit: And yes, those numbers are looking more like FUD.

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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Some countries, like for example France, make DNA tests pretty much illegal to prevent discovering painful truths like this.

The French government claims that fatherhood is determined by society, and not biology. That is a very unscientific law.

> The French government claims that fatherhood is determined by society

It is. A child does not need to be genetically related to their parents. Adoption is a common practice.

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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Some countries, like for example France, make DNA tests pretty much illegal to prevent discovering painful truths like this.

I think it a grave offense to the dignity of men and women to deprive them if vital truths like this. The French really have fallen

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um no... it's no more than 1-2% in western societies.

Do you have a reference? Not doubting it, but I’m curious to know if this is true.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/false-paternit...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event#Rates_of_n...

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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You mean misattributed paternity. Misattributed parentage happens mainly to men. It's a much more involved process to defraud a woman of her child than a man.

I guess the two mechanisms that come to mind: 1. Drug and kidnap the woman, implant an embryo that isn't hers, and bring her back home without her finding out. 2. Switch the baby with another plausible-looking one in the hospital. (I have heard this happens more than one might expect. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1998-08-16/features/1998228... says "About 28,000 babies get switched in hospitals every year, tempor…

An IVF mixup is another...

Or a kid who was unknowingly raised by their grandparents is an example where you’d see both parents misattributed.

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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A little OT and most here probably already know, but genetic genealogy(GEDmatch basically) is starting to be used to solve rape and murder cases. Here's a recent murder case solved a couple weeks ago they announced just on friday that they used genetic genealogy: http://providencejournal.com/news/20180727/how-dna-and-tatto... And here's the first instance that I know of of a non-fatal rape case where the technology w…

It's a good way to work around privacy issues like offenders not wanting/bothering to have their DNA registered. That's one of the reasons I believe people tend to be a little too protective of their genetic information. For one thing we spread it around, constantly. For another, all our relatives have some or most of that information too.

It's not really collection that's the big issue... the big issue is that the federal DNA database only stores a very small portion of the DNA so familial searches on it are only accurate up to 1st cousins. And there are privacy and disparate impact on minorities(everyone caught thus far with GEDMatch has been white IIRC) complaints with using the federal database for familial searches. With GED Match you can go much deeper(at least to 3rd cousins but IIRC potentially up to 5th) in the family tree than the federal DNA database would allow.

There are about 1 million law enforcement personnel in the US which is about how many samples are in the GEDMatch database... a pretty powerful database could be created just from the samples from law enforcement personnel.

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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That's pretty clearly false. See: China, North Korea.

Sure, but France is very close to other countries where DNA testing is legal. No?

My point is that the idea that you can't deny reality is false. Governments do it all the time, very successfully, for long periods of time. If the argument is "Western, liberal democracies cannot deny reality for an extended period of time", you're probably closer to making a correct statement, but still false. See: Gulf of Tonkin, Lusitania. You might say "But we know the truth of those incidents!", but of course, I can only cite examples for which we now know the truth. The ones for which we do not are, by definition, uncitable.

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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Some estimations tell that around 30% of children are not from their official fathers.. People are just unaware of amount of secretes seemingly happy marriages hold

Um no... it's no more than 1-2% in western societies.

There's a 2014 article in The Conversation:[0]

> They asked a number of questions including whether they had conceived a child at a time when they had multiple sexual partners? I was surprised that no more than 2% of women admitted to this.

I can't quite believe that they didn't point out how meaningless this result is. I mean, people aren't even honest about what they eat for breakfast ;)

> These results marry comfortably with DNA estimates of misattributed paternity from samples that cross a broad range of societies which suggest the rate is between 1% and 3%,[1] and with Prof Gilding’s estimate of between 0.7% and 2%.[2]

Based on the studies cited in these articles, about 20-305 of suspicious fathers are correct about their suspicion. But overall, the rate of misattributed paternity seems to be ~1%. However, not that I've read all the primary research, but I suspect that most of the cited studies are too small to be very reliable. Also, nothing that I've see seems based on complete datasets from consumer DNA testing firms.

0) https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-chances-that-your-d...

1) http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity...

2) http://inside.org.au/the-fatherhood-myth/

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a reference? Not doubting it, but I’m curious to know if this is true.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/false-paternit... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event#Rates_of_n...

The first one cites Larmuseau et al. (2016).[0]

> The surprising result of these new studies is that human EPP rates have stayed near- constant at around 1% across several human societies over the past several hundred years.

But this is based on long term population studies, not "real time" measurements.

0) https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.tree.2016.03.004

Re: Consumer DNA tests revealing misattributed parentage

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There was an interesting thread on reddit where people were sharing their experiences with DNA tests and their parentage/ancestry. I was surprised with sheer number of them being listed/shared there. I never considered DNA tests will have such a weird side effects. It's a fascinating to see how much science or scientific tests in future can lead to weird results (not that I'm condoning cheating or anything) - Thread…

Maybe part of the issue is an over-emphasis on "fidelity". People have always played around - or to be frank, many women have been assaulted and had to keep it quiet - maybe the best outcome would be more open communication and understanding between couples rather than even more prescriptive social norms about how relationships should work.

It's not so much about fidelity as honesty.
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