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The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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Re: The Blockchain Bubble Will Pop, What Next?

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The bit I would like to know, is how the CEO of this company is making lots of money?

I mean who is seriously paying for “AI on the blockchain”? Sure if it’s possible to run some of the most computationally intensive processing we know of on the one of the slowest platform architectures available, I would certainly pay for that. Denying the laws of thermodynamics would be one hell of a breakthrough though.

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I receive a salary in cryptocurrency for quite a long time, and I always try to be as objective and unbiased about articles on the future of blockchain and cryptocurrencies as much as I can. But articles like this truly disappoint me because there is no actual reasoning for such a strong and confident statement in the title. The whole article just says that a single encounter with a not-the-cool-tech-guy confirmed au…

getting your salary paid in crypto currency is nuts. But fair play to you.

How do you pay bills? What cryptocurrency do you get? How do you / your employer handle currency fluctuations?

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I used to think that the blockchain bubble was like the dotcom bubble, in that the core technology was actually genuinely transformative, so that even after the bubble burst and all the over-valued companies went bust, the technology would remain and continue change our lives. However, I must admit I'm starting to have my doubts now. It was 10 years in to the dotcom era that the dotcom bubble burst, and by that time…

The public didn't buy most of their stuff online 10 years into the web either, but now Amazon dominates.

Blockchain needs a dominant company to stay relevant. As with Amazon, the entire company doesn't have to be tied to it, it can have onchain/offchain components.

I think this becomes easier as tooling becomes easier as well for developers and for users.

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Anonymous blockchain sounds like fertile soil for the emergence of simple, autonomous AI. Howard Bloom's cosmology centers around Replication Strategy and Iteration. The medium of blockchain provides convenient and abundant opportunity for both. Imagine a smart contract that could sort of recursively fuel itself with prediction market earnings, and clone itself programmatically. A relatively simple 'mother' script could run generate contracts that have the ability to make predictions and bet a small sum towards that prediction. Outcomes and learnings get shared back a sidechain that is used to help generate more effective offspring. Like a live evolutionary/genetic algorithm playing with real money. Then, if you give those contracts a sort of failover mechanism to spawn a new mother script if communication with the original is lost, you could have a petri dish for a form of digital life beyond simulation.

I realize I probably may have just made an ass of myself as the article suggested is happening. That said, it seems within reason to be able to implement something along those lines given enough time and resources. The article seems to suggest that blockchain has had minimal impact, and its inevitable financial crash and inability to scale to facilitate mass adoption of digital currency makes it worthy of ridicule. I posit that general immutability and autonomous financial entities will come to define our times- and that any assumption that blockchain isn't significant because it doesn't replace your debit card in 2018 misses the bigger picture entirely.

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post #7

I used to think that the blockchain bubble was like the dotcom bubble, in that the core technology was actually genuinely transformative, so that even after the bubble burst and all the over-valued companies went bust, the technology would remain and continue change our lives. However, I must admit I'm starting to have my doubts now. It was 10 years in to the dotcom era that the dotcom bubble burst, and by that time…

I do agree with you on a lot of your points, the current state (and "value") of cryptocurrencies is extremely over inflated, but I don't think we can use the dotcom bubble as any sort of guide to when the blockchain bubble will burst. They are fundamentally very different things.

I feel like most cryptocurrencies will die a slow death over the coming months with the ones that actually provide value decreasing in price but not dying, with the herd will be culled down to ~20 or so. Blockchain is a useful concept, and tokens of value are a key concept in adoption.

I don't think we've seen any truly useful applications of the technology, but I also feel like its too early to write it off completely. It would only take one great application of blockchain for it to become an important part of our daily lives, but I think the focus at the moment is in the wrong areas.

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In all seriousness, what are the advantages Blockchain has over a public SQL database with limited reads and writes that also maintains a public transaction history? Cause when I hear people talk about the problems Blockchains solves (outside of cryptocurrency which is a whole other topic), I don't see what advantages Blockchain has over that. A public SQL database isn't the most "clean" solution, but it'll save ever…

The main innovation is that blockchain is decentralized and yet still verifiable. A public SQL database is in nature centralized. Even if you were to try and shard it out to everybody in the network you have the difficult time of cross verifying such data heavy records.

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post #10

I receive a salary in cryptocurrency for quite a long time, and I always try to be as objective and unbiased about articles on the future of blockchain and cryptocurrencies as much as I can. But articles like this truly disappoint me because there is no actual reasoning for such a strong and confident statement in the title. The whole article just says that a single encounter with a not-the-cool-tech-guy confirmed au…

Is your salary in cryptocurrency, or is it really in USD/Euros/whatever, converted to cryptocurrency at the current exchange rate on payday?

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#39
My thinking about the blockchain/cryptocurrency space shifted significantly when I changed my perspective from thinking about technology to thinking about problems.

The web caught on because in the late 80s, the biggest problem in the world was that we were starved for information. We didn't know it yet, because we'd never lived in any other world, but once we could fire up Netscape and view homepages from people who lived across the world, or talk in real-time on AIM with people half a world away, or ask any question of Google and get answers, or find whole communities of people who were interested in that incredibly niche interest that we'd despaired of ever meeting someone else to share it with, or view the satellite & street view images of any address on earth, or order any product off Amazon and have it delivered tomorrow to our front door, it was apparent what we were missing out on. And that has spawned multiple trillion-$ companies.

The biggest problem in the world today is lack of trust and the failure of institutions. (Which, ironically, may have been been caused by the web and the huge amount of information it made available.) And blockchains address this. They don't solve it - actually, my biggest resistance to Bitcoin & blockchain hype earlier, and my biggest risk factor now, is that Bitcoin doesn't actually solve the problem it's purporting to solve. People still get screwed when transacting in Bitcoin, they just get screwed by scammers & hackers rather than the government & big corporations.

But the problem still exists, and people are aware of it now. Satoshi's greatest contribution was to create something that could semi-plausibly fix it and then release it into the world, which generates all sorts of attention from other entrepreneurs. Just like Tim Berners-Lee's original WWW browser was pretty clunky by modern standards, Bitcoin is pretty clunky by modern standards. But it's attracted a lot of minds into refining & replacing it, and as long as there's a problem, there's a market, and there's a good chance that eventually somebody will figure it out.

(Or not. Who knows, in the 60s everyone was sure there was a market for flying cars and robot vacuum cleaners. We did eventually get both flying cars and robot vacuum cleaners, but so far the market for them is much smaller than anticipated.)

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post #7

I used to think that the blockchain bubble was like the dotcom bubble, in that the core technology was actually genuinely transformative, so that even after the bubble burst and all the over-valued companies went bust, the technology would remain and continue change our lives. However, I must admit I'm starting to have my doubts now. It was 10 years in to the dotcom era that the dotcom bubble burst, and by that time…

The dot com era actually started in the late 1960s with packet switching networks. It took 50 years to get mass adoption. The first really working cryptocurrency was in 2008. I expect mass adoption by 2058.
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