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The .ly domain space to be considered unsafe

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Re: The .ly domain space to be considered unsafe

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Post by davidw »

semanticist wrote: post #27
davidw wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just people from the US who read English, you know. Here in Europe, you often find people from two different non-English speaking countries conversing in English because it's what they have in common. I think it's ultimately a bit of a caveat emptor situation though: if they're not going to publish their rules in English, it means you're likely to get screwed. Which is to be expected from a dictatorship run…

For the record: I'm not American, and while I don't self-identify as 'European', Scotland/the UK is considered part of Europe. I know that it's a lingua franca, and that there is a certain expectation that important information online will be in English - but even as someone who only speaks/reads English I think that's an unfair and unreasonable expectation. Regardless of country, if you can't read and understand the…

> That's as true for Libya/.ly as it is for Germany/.de or China/.cn.

I think that you're a lot less likely to run into 'oddities' in Germany than you are in China or Libya.

Re: The .ly domain space to be considered unsafe

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Post by jrockway »

retube wrote: post #28
rabble wrote: post #11

I'm not sure if this is a real change to the nic.ly policy or not. It's tricky. They say it was adult content. While vb.ly might not have had any, it was co-owned by Violet Blue, who while she is many wonderful things, she is not islamic. Violet Blue's Website: http://www.tinynibbles.com/ It's not just Libya, the US govt which has ultimate control over .com, .org, .net, .us, .gov, etc... also has some crazy ideas. Ju…

Whether or not adult content was physically hosted by vb.ly or not is really a technicality. If the link results in porn in your browser window...

I guess they block Google, then?

Re: The .ly domain space to be considered unsafe

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Post by DougWebb »

rabble wrote: post #11

I'm not sure if this is a real change to the nic.ly policy or not. It's tricky. They say it was adult content. While vb.ly might not have had any, it was co-owned by Violet Blue, who while she is many wonderful things, she is not islamic. Violet Blue's Website: http://www.tinynibbles.com/ It's not just Libya, the US govt which has ultimate control over .com, .org, .net, .us, .gov, etc... also has some crazy ideas. Ju…

Wanted! = Acted

The US senate, house, and president all want lots of things that never come to pass, because we have a government with lots of competing interests that (mostly) all have to agree on something before it bbecomes a law. This is in stark contrast to Lyybia or any other dictatorship where laws can be changed at the whim of whoever is in power.

That's not just at the top, either. Dictatorships are usually run like fiefdoms: people are given absolute power over everyone below them, so long as they don't piss off the people above them. So the guy who runs the registrar can do whatever he pleases so long as his boss is ok with it.

Re: The .ly domain space to be considered unsafe

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Post by semanticist »

davidw wrote: post #31
semanticist wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record: I'm not American, and while I don't self-identify as 'European', Scotland/the UK is considered part of Europe. I know that it's a lingua franca, and that there is a certain expectation that important information online will be in English - but even as someone who only speaks/reads English I think that's an unfair and unreasonable expectation. Regardless of country, if you can't read and understand the…

> That's as true for Libya/.ly as it is for Germany/.de or China/.cn. I think that you're a lot less likely to run into 'oddities' in Germany than you are in China or Libya.

I think you're more likely to run into rules printed in English in Germany, but that aside every country has their quirks. It really wasn't that long ago that Germany and France were having a go at Yahoo! over Nazi imagery that was hosted on their services, or for sale on Yahoo! Auctions.

60+ years after the end of the war, it might not be immediately obvious, especially to an American used to 'first amendment rights', that your web page with screenshots from Wolfenstein 3D is possibly illegal.

And that's just an 'oddity' that I, someone who has never even been to Germany, know about.

Re: The .ly domain space to be considered unsafe

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Post by DougWebb »

jrockway wrote: post #32
retube wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not adult content was physically hosted by vb.ly or not is really a technicality. If the link results in porn in your browser window...

I guess they block Google, then?

They would probably block google.ly, or at least filter it.

Re: The .ly domain space to be considered unsafe

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Post by ErrantX »

davidw wrote: post #31
semanticist wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record: I'm not American, and while I don't self-identify as 'European', Scotland/the UK is considered part of Europe. I know that it's a lingua franca, and that there is a certain expectation that important information online will be in English - but even as someone who only speaks/reads English I think that's an unfair and unreasonable expectation. Regardless of country, if you can't read and understand the…

> That's as true for Libya/.ly as it is for Germany/.de or China/.cn. I think that you're a lot less likely to run into 'oddities' in Germany than you are in China or Libya.

Think again; German rules for these things are different from UK/US rules (and other European nations) in several significant ways.

Particularly in relation to their data protection rules (for example).

Re: The .ly domain space to be considered unsafe

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Post by jacquesm »

thingie wrote: post #24
jacquesm wrote: post #4

And to add to all of that: If you register a local version of any domain, be it .ly or anything else make sure that you understand that domains registered as such are subject to both local laws and the whims of the TLD authority. This is one of the reasons I've always stuck to .com, .net and .org, just registering a .nl domain for example requires me to jump through all kinds of hoops, and is more expensive to boot.…

Possibly. I'm not sure if I have more trust in Verisign (which was willing to put wildcard records into .com TLD (a long time ago, yes, but…)) or the local cz.NIC, as an association of czech ISPs and registrars with open policies and membership.

Verisign is a complete pain in the butt, a company that should have been taken to the cleaners long ago. But I don't deal with them directly (though they keep trying) but through my registrar, like most people.

Verisign once upon a time actually was a half decent company but then they got greedy and started screwing people over.

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