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Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a very narrow and arbitrary definition of “bias” which seems to be crafted specially to make whatever point you’re trying to make.

Could you elaborate? How is my definition of bias incorrect? All I'm saying is that people with power/money can use these to skew media to push their own agenda.

> All I'm saying is that people with power/money can use these to skew media to push their own agenda.

Are you saying these cannot happen via conventional outlets?

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

That’s literally all traditional news is. One questionable and undoubtedly biased source writes an article. If it’s likely to get attention, then other news stations copy it verbatim. Social media is just an “unpolished” version of this preexisting turd of a setup.

Instructive is the smear campaign against SMTP Creator and IANA head Jon Postel by anonymous "senior government officials" in the months before his death. It was a classic government smear campaign, against someone who did so much, for such low pay, to get the Internet working. He was repaid by the government hounding him in the months before his death. Thankfully John Gilmore held up the torch on all the shady deals going on after he died, even though not much was done.

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

That’s literally all traditional news is. One questionable and undoubtedly biased source writes an article. If it’s likely to get attention, then other news stations copy it verbatim. Social media is just an “unpolished” version of this preexisting turd of a setup.

No, it's not. At least not if you're counting the old papers as traditional.

If you're counting cable news companies as traditional, you're probably 30 or younger and don't remember when news companies actually did research and had editors that fact-checked.

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

Let's be honest, who is actually willing to take the time and effort to read the exact same news from every possible news source to determine the legatimacy of all of the articles' claims, "facts", and opinions. What these kids are likely doing is spreading themselves out, covering all of the sources, and coming back together to discuss them; better than reading one news source, but also worse than reading all of them. At least that's the perspective that I get from the author's writting.

Judging by the handles of these accounts it wouldn't surprise me with kids only followed accounts that aligned with their current beliefs which may end up leading to the echo chamber you previously mentioned (however I must disagree that it's not the direct copy and pasting that makes it an echo chamber, its the copy and pasting of ideas). But also because of the online and pseudonymous nature of the internet it also wouldn't surprise me if people also joined communities that didn't align with their beliefs just to experiment with them. Perhaps even engage in more civilized debates on Instagram than in /r/the_donald.

But also as an occasional user of Instagram I find it weird for them to even be having long winded debates on the app. It was designed to be a photosharing app with comments, not a place for discussion threads. But maybe I'm too old now ‍️

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I think this has always happened among teens. When Facebook was popular among adolescent groups, FB pages existed that were identical to the messages shared on these "flop accounts".

And before that it was 4chan. Meme pages that touch on social and political issues are fairly integral to our net culture.

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

It does fight against a situation where the news would be lying though. Recently we've heard about many news outlets getting something wrong accidentally or maybe even deliberately. What they do on Instagram would probably help against that.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate? How is my definition of bias incorrect? All I'm saying is that people with power/money can use these to skew media to push their own agenda.

> All I'm saying is that people with power/money can use these to skew media to push their own agenda. Are you saying these cannot happen via conventional outlets?

You're being intentionally obtuse, they said conventional news is fallible but far more trustworthy than anonymous social media.

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

It does fight against a situation where the news would be lying though. Recently we've heard about many news outlets getting something wrong accidentally or maybe even deliberately. What they do on Instagram would probably help against that.

It boils down to one thing: how does the spread of misinformation compare to the spread of a correction?

Every subscriber of a traditional newspaper will see their corrections, often published the next day.

How does Instagram/social media compare? In my experience, it doesn't. I've never seen a correction come through anonymous social media channels.

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

> It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news" I mean they probably are. It’s unlikely these kids are running their Instagram channels as loss leaders with the real goal of selling billion dollar military technology.

Your position is that anonymous, unregulated, uncredentialed, "non-profit" social media accounts are more reliable than conventional news?

Everyone has some biases... but I know which entity is more trustworthy. The one that stands by their name in public.

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