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Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

I bet it's just one big echo chamber of people copy/pasting each other, just like every trend on social media (memes, etc).

Yep, groupthink runs rampant on social media, just as it does on HN and other fora.

This thread will generate the usual boilerplate blathering about "Faux News" and "Wapo" and on and on and on, when the total news output of Fox, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WP, and the rest of the outlets that get people all frothing at the mouth and picking up their tribal pitchforks and torches is less than 1% of the actual news published in America on any given day.

The people who seem the most upset by the state of news today are the people who consume only from a few national sources, but never think to pick up their local newspaper where there are actual stories about the actual places they live that affect them in ways they don't even know because they can't be bothered with dead tree editions.

They use a lot of lame echo-chamber excuses about "portability this" and "digital future that" to explain away their laziness. Plus 20- and 30-somethings these days are unwilling to pay 50¢ for some factual information to accompany their $8.00 coffee and their $1,000 phones.

It may be hard for some people to grip, but 99.99999% of the news stories published in an average day have nothing to do with Donald Trump or Nancy Pelosi. But you'd never know it if the internet is the only way you consume information.

What happens in the White House or Congress or the United Nations or North Korea affects people infinitely less than the new water main going in down the street, or how a local politician is spending their money, or whether it was their neighbor's kid who got killed in that bad rollover crash you saw on your way home from work.

For the record, I subscribe to five newspapers and one magazine. Three of the newspapers are in printed form. Of those, one newspaper is local, the others come by mail from other cities where I have interests. The magazine is also in print form, and comes weekly. The remaining two newspapers are digital. My wife subscribes to an industry journal which arrives in printed form DAILY as a broadsheet, six days a week, and has a supplemental app for breaking news.

The printed articles she pulls from her newspaper and leaves on my desk for me to read are generally a week to 10 days ahead of the internet.

When my newspapers arrive, the first thing I do is pull out the Opinion sections and toss them in the blue bin. America would be better off if newspapers didn't have opinion sections to reinforce all of society's divisiveness. It was OK back when cities had six or seven daily newspapers. But today, it's a disservice to the public.

I also pull out the comics section/page and read that first. If I don't manage to get past that much of a particular paper, it's still time well spent.

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Where did you see that young people think flop accounts are news? The article is about discussing issues on instagram, there is no mention of news. Kids today grew up with the internet - knowing that big corporations we're slanting views/news from day 1 because they could go compare the same headline at fox, cnn, and nbc. Previous generations couldn't do that so easily. So a complete distrust of news shouldn't be sur…

> All the while, an increasing number of teens are turning to these types of accounts for news, seeing them as more reliable and trustworthy than traditional media. It says it right there in the article. My point is that conventional news can be biased, but they're much harder to bias than this nonsense. Conventional news would pretty much require the entire media company to be on your side, which would require a lot…

I find it very worrying that people want to force young people who are learning to form their own opinion to choose "correctly". For whatever value of correctly.

By contrast, what these kids are doing, trying to pressure and misinform each other, is exactly what I'd want them to do : they're learning. Maybe, God forbid, they'll learn how that works and when it's being done to them.

And that, I'm sure, a decent fraction of them will disagree with you ... that's a very good thing indeed.

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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> All the while, an increasing number of teens are turning to these types of accounts for news, seeing them as more reliable and trustworthy than traditional media. It says it right there in the article. My point is that conventional news can be biased, but they're much harder to bias than this nonsense. Conventional news would pretty much require the entire media company to be on your side, which would require a lot…

I find it very worrying that people want to force young people who are learning to form their own opinion to choose "correctly". For whatever value of correctly. By contrast, what these kids are doing, trying to pressure and misinform each other, is exactly what I'd want them to do : they're learning. Maybe, God forbid, they'll learn how that works and when it's being done to them. And that, I'm sure, a decent fracti…

How do you know there are even kids behind the flop accounts, as opposed to adult trolls or whatever?

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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post #3

Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

> It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news" I mean they probably are. It’s unlikely these kids are running their Instagram channels as loss leaders with the real goal of selling billion dollar military technology.

How do you know they're actually kids and not working for RT?

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

Did teens debate the news before this? Maybe this is driving the debate youger and therefore is a good thing.

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it very worrying that people want to force young people who are learning to form their own opinion to choose "correctly". For whatever value of correctly. By contrast, what these kids are doing, trying to pressure and misinform each other, is exactly what I'd want them to do : they're learning. Maybe, God forbid, they'll learn how that works and when it's being done to them. And that, I'm sure, a decent fracti…

How do you know there are even kids behind the flop accounts, as opposed to adult trolls or whatever?

same inquiry could be made to ask you if you thought there were real people behind the boards/chans u were on as a kid as opposed to adult scammers or whatever. kids grow up on the internet like how we did but now the tables turned and they either figure it out or not its up to them

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know there are even kids behind the flop accounts, as opposed to adult trolls or whatever?

same inquiry could be made to ask you if you thought there were real people behind the boards/chans u were on as a kid as opposed to adult scammers or whatever. kids grow up on the internet like how we did but now the tables turned and they either figure it out or not its up to them

Plus ... when it comes to "better" information sources. There we simply know for sure they're adult trolls and propagandists. People will need to learn to deal with them, protecting them is not possible. As if that's not bad enough, any attempts to protect them simply creates better tools for people to feed bad information to more people, and might result in outright censorship (if it hasn't already)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_controversies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC_controversies

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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> All the while, an increasing number of teens are turning to these types of accounts for news, seeing them as more reliable and trustworthy than traditional media. It says it right there in the article. My point is that conventional news can be biased, but they're much harder to bias than this nonsense. Conventional news would pretty much require the entire media company to be on your side, which would require a lot…

I find it very worrying that people want to force young people who are learning to form their own opinion to choose "correctly". For whatever value of correctly. By contrast, what these kids are doing, trying to pressure and misinform each other, is exactly what I'd want them to do : they're learning. Maybe, God forbid, they'll learn how that works and when it's being done to them. And that, I'm sure, a decent fracti…

I find it more worrying that anyone would want to support this kind of learning. These young people are not being educated on how to identify misinformation; rather, they're being indoctrinated with values that encourage virtue signaling or worse, trolling.

Living inside a bubble of criticism and misinformation doesn't lead one to immediately question and then reform the system. More often, people choose to adapt to their environment which only perpetuates the existing infrastructure.

Instead of pointlessly debating each other on this app, a platform designed to capture attention and manipulate emotions, these people should take time to research and then carefully write an essay. Once they are satisfied with their opinions, they could share their thesis with the public and request contestation.

If we simply continue with this twitter/facebook/instagram trend of summarizing our most important debates in 150 words or less in a brief amount of time, we're only going to become less educated and more vulnerable to coercion.

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

That’s literally all traditional news is. One questionable and undoubtedly biased source writes an article. If it’s likely to get attention, then other news stations copy it verbatim. Social media is just an “unpolished” version of this preexisting turd of a setup.

Re: Teens Debate Big Issues on Instagram Flop Accounts

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post #3

Sad to see that for the new generation, "news" is equivalent to shitty Instagram pictures. It's quite funny that they consider this as more trustworthy than conventional "news". Not saying conventional news is always right, but I'd still trust it more than pseudonymous accounts on a social network. > “Flop accounts have a lot of people fact-checking each other instead of just depending on one source giving us informa…

Did teens debate the news before this? Maybe this is driving the debate youger and therefore is a good thing.

I can remember talking politics on message boards as a young teen. I don't think memes necessarily help. Its just a new medium of exchange now that forums are well and truly dead.
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