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A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations

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Re: A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations

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Post by ams6110 »

Retric wrote: post #39
bobthepanda wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US started mass employment of women in the late 1800s. It took until the 2010s for MeToo to be taken seriously. (And by seriously, I mean that there are consequences for such actions.) Given that China actively destroyed its culture during '49-'79, and then saw the fastest growth spurt of industrialization and services ever seen in human history, it's not surprising that they're playing massive catchup. The inter…

MeToo is far from the first time this stuff has had teeth in the US. It’s more that you get waves of action, back lash, then build up for the next wave. Really you can trace US legislation back to the 70’s, but social progress is slow.

The pendulum effect. Cultural change typically tends to go first too far in one direction then retreat and go too far in the other direction. Repeat every few decades. And maybe not fair to say it swings equally in both directions. Long-term progress is made but it tends to happen in a series of over-reaches and then pull backs.

Re: A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations

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Post by Krasnol »

mooseburger wrote: post #35
Krasnol wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not both?

That would be fine, I'm just pointing out the rape gangs dwarf the magnitude of harm MeToo uncovered, yet public exposure of MeToo dwarfs the public exposure of the rape gangs

Don't you think that the amount of people being victims in #metoo are just louder because they can be on twitter and tweet #metoo? Silencing them wouldn't bring your topic up because it's doing a bad job at promoting itself already (how could they?). It would just bring up other topics that promote them self.

Of course being a dick about it, doesn't help the issue either.

Re: A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations

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Post by ams6110 »

mooseburger wrote: post #35
Krasnol wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not both?

That would be fine, I'm just pointing out the rape gangs dwarf the magnitude of harm MeToo uncovered, yet public exposure of MeToo dwarfs the public exposure of the rape gangs

High-profile scandals always have more impact than atrocities against poor people. Not saying it's right, but that's the way it is.

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Post by dogruck »

dmritard96 wrote: post #5

I have spent a good amount of time in the mainland as a foreigner. The way that men talk about women, particularly in professional settings, is decades behind imho. KTV alone - I have heard some pretty terribls sounding stories there as well although have been lucky to only have gone to the normal ktv. A simple example is booth babes at tech shows. In the US, general consensus is that this is exploitive. In China it…

So, you think the Chinese culture is “decades behind” the American culture? That sounds racist to me.

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Post by yzmtf2008 »

dogruck wrote: post #44
dmritard96 wrote: post #5

I have spent a good amount of time in the mainland as a foreigner. The way that men talk about women, particularly in professional settings, is decades behind imho. KTV alone - I have heard some pretty terribls sounding stories there as well although have been lucky to only have gone to the normal ktv. A simple example is booth babes at tech shows. In the US, general consensus is that this is exploitive. In China it…

So, you think the Chinese culture is “decades behind” the American culture? That sounds racist to me.

In terms of gender equality, yes, decades behind. Don’t make generalizations that the OP didn’t make.

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Post by dogruck »

yzmtf2008 wrote: post #45
dogruck wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you think the Chinese culture is “decades behind” the American culture? That sounds racist to me.

In terms of gender equality, yes, decades behind. Don’t make generalizations that the OP didn’t make.

Tell me what you think about Muslims. Are they bad too?

Is your stance, “all cultures are good, unless the culture is different from mine?”

Re: A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations

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Post by bobthepanda »

Retric wrote: post #39
bobthepanda wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US started mass employment of women in the late 1800s. It took until the 2010s for MeToo to be taken seriously. (And by seriously, I mean that there are consequences for such actions.) Given that China actively destroyed its culture during '49-'79, and then saw the fastest growth spurt of industrialization and services ever seen in human history, it's not surprising that they're playing massive catchup. The inter…

MeToo is far from the first time this stuff has had teeth in the US. It’s more that you get waves of action, back lash, then build up for the next wave. Really you can trace US legislation back to the 70’s, but social progress is slow.

Legislation happened in the '70s, but I would characterize those earlier movements as countercultural.

MeToo, as far as I'm aware, is the first time where allegations against sexual harassment are with the prevailing winds of modern American culture, and when people other than politicians have suffered actual blowback and consequences from such behavior.

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Post by mooseburger »

Krasnol wrote: post #42
mooseburger wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be fine, I'm just pointing out the rape gangs dwarf the magnitude of harm MeToo uncovered, yet public exposure of MeToo dwarfs the public exposure of the rape gangs

Don't you think that the amount of people being victims in #metoo are just louder because they can be on twitter and tweet #metoo? Silencing them wouldn't bring your topic up because it's doing a bad job at promoting itself already (how could they?). It would just bring up other topics that promote them self. Of course being a dick about it, doesn't help the issue either.

Sure, the victims in Rotherham can't actually amplify it themselves, but typically, it's the media, who amplify such causes, not the victims. Consider the pedophilia plague in the Catholic church, that absolutely did not become world famous due to Twitter. The left notably also justifiably kicks up a ruckus over less, but were oddly silent on the rape gangs, as documented by a leftist himself here:

https://medium.com/@TheWakeful/the-uk-street-grooming-scanda...

Re: A MeToo Reckoning in China’s Workplace Amid Wave of Accusations

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Post by mooseburger »

ams6110 wrote: post #43
mooseburger wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be fine, I'm just pointing out the rape gangs dwarf the magnitude of harm MeToo uncovered, yet public exposure of MeToo dwarfs the public exposure of the rape gangs

High-profile scandals always have more impact than atrocities against poor people. Not saying it's right, but that's the way it is.

This isn't really true. Child separations on the US border got a lot more play than Rotherham, any of the other towns affected, or the current scandal in Telford.
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