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Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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I was a double major in CS and Latin, and once I asked my Latin advisor about grad school for Latin. I didn’t intend on going, I was just curious about what she would say as a tenured Latin professor at a good university. The look on her face when I asked was complete shock and she went on a rant about how it was the dumbest idea ever. She told me how she was going on sabbatical to write a book that only 30 people wo…

You'll notice the tag-line for the blog is “Digital Humanities: Using tools from the 1990s to answer questions from the 1960s about 19th century America.”

That's what I've been doing for the last half a decade, Digital Humanities (DH). DH is what you get when you ask yourself, “What happens when you add computational methods to the scholar's toolkit? What kind of questions can you ask? What does it imply for scholarship in the Humanities?”

That's one thing that's happening. And it's a good thing. At my uni (a second-tier uni in Western Europe) we have an undergrad program four years old which combines elements of CS (mainly the non-theoretical stuff) with subjects of the students own choosing from the Arts. I believe that within a decade all higher-level institutions will offers programs like this. The Arts & Humanities is undergoing a paradigm shift the likes of which it hasn't experienced in decades, perhaps even centuries. Only those with backgrounds in the humanities are going to be able to write this new chapter in the story of human learning and understanding.

Another thing that's happening. The economy. That's maybe not an unrelated issue. Are there going to be jobs that people will be rewarded for if they get degrees in the humanities? Not in this economic climate. I don't know if people recognise my handle here (probably not) but my area is philosophy. I can see that people are crying out for philosophical instruction. I just attended a Jordan B. Peterson / Sam Harris live event where 8,500 eager souls turned up. You know what a tenured philosopher of a decent institution said when I enquired of a table of philosophers about Peterson, “Oh, that idiot from Toronto.” Academic philosophy is failing philosophy. Could the same be true of other arts and humanities subjects?

Academic institutions are as politically biased if not more so as the rest of society. And these are the people we are looking to for direction in our lives? I've been saying this for the last while but it is my conjecture that the humanities is broken to exactly the same extent and the same degree that philosophy has lost its way in the last century.

What I'm trying to say is, the crisis in the humanities is deep problem. It is related to the current economic situation, to the current political situation, it's an institutional problem, it's an epistemological problem, it's related to the current cultural climate – ultimately it's a philosophical problem.

Final note (though I could write a lot more) – the culture war between the arts and the sciences goes back nearly 150 years (I've researched this) so this has been brewing for an extremely long time. There have been multiple times in the past when the humanities were in the dominant position and the sciences the reverse so make of that what you will.

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Harvard trend is probably too little to late on their part. Having worked on both coasts in a variety of companies I didn't even know Harvard had an engineering dept.

Harvard didn't have an engineering department until a few years ago (might be year 5 or 6 now).

You're off by over 150 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_John_A._Paulson_School...

Harvard invented one of the first computers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Mark_I

What you might be misremembering is that

> In February 2007, the Harvard Corporation and Overseers voted for the Division of Engineering and Applied Sciences to change its name to the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS).

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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post #9

I was curious what sort of relationship there might be between recent trends in international students (who I expected would more frequently major in STEM than humanities than the typical American population) and the article's noted decrease in humanities majors. In [0], the share of college students that is international rose from ~3% in 2010 to ~5.5% in 2017. And from the table in [1], in 2017, about 2% of internat…

I think the Harvard trend is probably too little to late on their part. Having worked on both coasts in a variety of companies I didn't even know Harvard had an engineering dept.

The website you are posting on was created by a Harvard engineering graduate, Paul Graham.

Harvard has a small, elite engineering and applied sciences school, so you'd generally encounter their grads at elite companies and research institutions, leaning more towards applied science research than what's commonly pictured as "engineering".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_John_A._Paulson_School...

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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This is simply short sighted. Yes, we are at a time in which machines have automated enough of the labor to cause panic and drive students to practical fields, but not enough to cause mass revolt.

But it's inevitable. Some form of UBI will have to be instituted, by consensus or force, and at that point, a large part of the population will find itself with lots of time on their hands and no need for knowledge in any productive area. Then, most majors will be in philosophy, literature or art.

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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University used to be for the elite, or roughly. Now, regular folk, who don't come from wealthy families, have to do that as part of their education, and cost is a big deal. It's natural that people tend towards practical educations and it's not all that bad. As an Engineer, I was overwhelmed with technical bits and in retrospect I wish we could all have taken a full year of liberal arts type stuff.

In USA, most degree programs require a year's worth of liberal arts "distribution" or "general education" courses.

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As we transition from a pedigree-based to a skills-based economy, it would make sense that the humanities would be an earlier casualty than many other fields.

I would argue we're just as pedigree based as ever. Just look at any list of the wealthiest (whatever demographic) people in the US. Inheritance and connections dominate it. It's the wage-earners competing in a pseudo-meritocracy, just like fifty or a hundred years ago. The difference now is that our skilled trades require more formal education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Americans_by_net_worth

In the top 10, 2 are 1st-generation trust-fund babies (The Koch brothers), 7 are tech company founders, and 1 is self-directed investor. Certainly most of these enjoy great upper-middle-class opportunity and privelege, but these founders did not get their wealth from pedigree-appointed positions at Daddy's company after drinking their way through a Political Science degree.

Then come 3 more trust fund babies (The Walton kids), a self-made casino founder, and another tech company founder.

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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I have a PhD in the humanities and am now working on NLP. I can attest to the difficulty of finding a fulfilling career in humanities academia, but I don’t know if it’s worse than STEM academia since academia is insanely competitive in general. In my school (Ivy League) , PhDs in my department attain professorship as often as STEM ones, if not faster. I think the humanities are more suited for general education than…

http://stemtosteam.org/

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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post #109

I think every engineer or applied scientists should be expected to take a reasonable "liberal" education subset - including history, literature and law. I know that this is very much not in vogue with the latest group-think in college, but I also believe that humanities should master at least basic calculus. Not because you may need to do a differential or integral, but rather because it teaches you to think differen…

>I also believe that humanities should master at least basic calculus. I agree that mathematics is underappreciated by most people who work in the humanities. But I strongly disagree that they should learn calculus. In fact, I would argue that calculus is the problem with the perception of math in the social sciences. There are plenty of types of math that could potentially be applied in sociology and its variants, p…

agree re: econ's use of calculus (at the undergrad level), since everything gets reduced to a constrained optimisation problem (with potentially slack constraints that require use of Kuhn-Tucker, if one gets fancy). But at the graduate level and beyond, it goes way beyond that. one essentially cannot get into a good phd programme in economics without having done at least up to real analysis as an undergrad. my ugrad profs used to say it is easier to get into grad school in econ with a math ugrad than an econ one.

game theory, information economics, social choice theory all make use of lots of pure math. e.g. you have to understand brouwer and kakutani before you understand nash's proofs.

discrete math, functional analysis, topology could be useful for 'formal modelling' (which is what the other social sciences call econ-style theorising).

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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I think every engineer or applied scientists should be expected to take a reasonable "liberal" education subset - including history, literature and law. I know that this is very much not in vogue with the latest group-think in college, but I also believe that humanities should master at least basic calculus. Not because you may need to do a differential or integral, but rather because it teaches you to think differen…

> liberal educations are now viewed as tools of oppression rather then as the minimum expectation for a well-informed citizen.

I often hear people say that a college education is about opening the mind, being able to think critically, being able to challenge one's own beliefs, etc. But then I often find the people make those claims not even able to consider the possibility that many people people achieve that without a college education. We should consider that there might be a certain amount of group think and signaling involved, and that a college education might not improve one's critical thinking skills as much as is often assumed.

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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post #60

Indeed. Instead of seeking a broader understanding of the world and a greater ability to question and think critically about it, more students are seeking knowledge of a more practical nature that can lead to better employment opportunities in the near term. It's understandable. On the whole, I don't think this is good... but this has been coming for a long time, due to many reasons, including: * a broken funding sys…

A society whose middle class is becoming cash-starved is not going to have enough time to engage in both a technical vocation and auxiliary reading. No cash is what's getting in the way of me pursuing the humanities more even though it's my preferred mode of thought. Although being distracted all the time might also have something to do with it.
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