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Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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My hypothesis would be that in times of economic instability (70's energy crisis, 2008 financial crisis) - people bias towards more obviously reliable fields for income and work (Nursing, engineering, etc.).

It's also probably easier to major in CS (or some other technical subject) and take some humanities classes you find interesting rather than major in humanities.

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That is ...good. We should be funneling more women and minorities into lucrative majors like CS and engineering.

Problem with that is women and minorities are all individual people who make their own decisions about what they want to do in life. What does a funnel look like? Forced degrees? Forced employment?

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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I think the 'crisis' can be distilled to a simple concept - with rising costs of living not many people want to invest in a degree which has relatively few options for comfortable living compared to other options. If the humanities are really so important for our culture, then the public needs to invest in making them practical options for someone to invest in. Otherwise, why bother lamenting about the lack of people studying humanities when there are limited job options in the humanities? Can you really blame them?

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If every imaginable move is made to render the humanities rote and ideologically captive as possible (seemingly for the personal leisure of a handful of faculty), and at the same time prices are increasing, is it any wonder that they are fast going extinct? (or more accurately, that the absolute interest in study under humanities departments is not keeping up with the interest in STEM study)

I agree with almost everything you said, except

> seemingly for the personal leisure of a handful of faculty

So far as I know, the humanities professors do not have any more leisure than other faculty. (Or did you mean that, by making the humanities ideologically captive, the professors don't have to think?)

And in fact, that "ideologically captive" part occurred to me as a possible partial explanation, as well. Large parts of the humanities have come to resemble indoctrination rather than free enquiry. That may place a serious limit on the popularity of those departments.

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In countries like India you would be laughed at if you aren't rich and take an arts degree. It is because in a country with limited earning opportunities, it doesn't make any sense to invest in a degree that has virtually non-existent employment opportunities.

Seems like the majority of US population has now become poor enough that taking getting a humanities degree is risky.

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post #9

I was curious what sort of relationship there might be between recent trends in international students (who I expected would more frequently major in STEM than humanities than the typical American population) and the article's noted decrease in humanities majors. In [0], the share of college students that is international rose from ~3% in 2010 to ~5.5% in 2017. And from the table in [1], in 2017, about 2% of internat…

I think the Harvard trend is probably too little to late on their part. Having worked on both coasts in a variety of companies I didn't even know Harvard had an engineering dept.

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post #5

I'm 32, my parents studies humanities and strongly discouraged me "because in the future there are no well-paid jobs in the humanities". I presume I'm not alone?

Lets just say humanities is not the easy path to a well paid job. Certainly there are people who have been successful like Steve Jobs but I feel it was his individual qualities that made the difference.

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post #8

I was a double major in CS and Latin, and once I asked my Latin advisor about grad school for Latin. I didn’t intend on going, I was just curious about what she would say as a tenured Latin professor at a good university. The look on her face when I asked was complete shock and she went on a rant about how it was the dumbest idea ever. She told me how she was going on sabbatical to write a book that only 30 people wo…

Which is a shame, because I would happily teach Latin for a guaranteed $18,000 a year.

Latin is an amazing language that has a lot of tangential applications. At the very least, Latin shouldn't go extinct.

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post #10

> Back in 2013, I wrote a few blog post arguing that the media was hyperventilating about a "crisis" in the humanities, when, in fact, the long term trends were not especially alarming. I made two claims them: 1. The biggest drop in humanities degrees relative to other degrees in the last 50 years happened between 1970 and 1985, and were steady from 1985 to 2011; as a proportion of the population, humanities majors e…

Is this a point you'd like to elaborate on? Without accusing you of anything, when I read a one sentence dismissal of humanities/social sciences, what I tend to think is that this is someone who thinks "post-modernism is bullshit", "third wave feminism is bad", "intersectionality isn't real", "everything is cultural marxism", "safe spaces", etc. and who is appealing to Jordan Peterson as an expert on everything. If we're lucky, they'll throw in Sokal or some other sincere attempt to engage with problems in the discipline.

This might be an unfair judgment of you personally -- certainly it doesn't suggest charity on my part. But I just mention it because, in the event that you have something to add to the discussion that isn't just boilerplate, you might want to know that in the absence of actually adding it, you are being judged in this way.

(Personal disclaimer: I'm not in the humanities, I have my own critiques of where major humanities disciplines are. I am an academic. But I also waste enough of my time on awful websites that I am very acclimatized to driveby dismissals of anything that emerged out of critical theory, and I can't say I agree with that.)

Re: Mea culpa: there is a crisis in the humanities

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post #8

I was a double major in CS and Latin, and once I asked my Latin advisor about grad school for Latin. I didn’t intend on going, I was just curious about what she would say as a tenured Latin professor at a good university. The look on her face when I asked was complete shock and she went on a rant about how it was the dumbest idea ever. She told me how she was going on sabbatical to write a book that only 30 people wo…

Which is a shame, because I would happily teach Latin for a guaranteed $18,000 a year. Latin is an amazing language that has a lot of tangential applications. At the very least, Latin shouldn't go extinct.

Hard to live and work around Boston on $18,000 salary
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