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Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

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Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

#42

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I'm sure you can find some sort of rhyme that'll work just as well.

For "orange"? Could you suggest a rhyme?

If you ask why my floor that was white is now orange, Well I quite like juice, and I last mopped my floor in July.

Came up with that one allll by myself.

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For "orange"? Could you suggest a rhyme?

It's not as absurd as it may seem. Eminem discussed the topic at one point, although I don't think any of them would fit the bill as a replacement for "redhead": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPcR5RVXHMg

The trick is that assonance is sufficient for rap in contrast to a strictly true rhyme.

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

#45

In arabic the both the noun and adjectives for "orange" roughly transliterates to "bortuqal": برتقالي What's the word for "Portugal" in arabic? "bortughal" (that is also not a good transliteration) برتغال Arabic is my favorite.

Wiktionary confirms that the name of the fruit came from the name of the country:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A...

(via Greek, via Venetian!)

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

#46
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They left out the best part: The use of the word "redhead," for people with hair that is decidedly orange rather than red, predates the emergence of the color name "orange." Otherwise, they would presumably have been called "orangeheads."

Similarly, the birds called redbreasts, whose chests are orange as well

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

#47

In arabic the both the noun and adjectives for "orange" roughly transliterates to "bortuqal": برتقالي What's the word for "Portugal" in arabic? "bortughal" (that is also not a good transliteration) برتغال Arabic is my favorite.

Oh, cool. It's the same in Greek:

πορτοκάλι = Portokali = Orange

Πορτογαλία = Portogalia = Portugal

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not as absurd as it may seem. Eminem discussed the topic at one point, although I don't think any of them would fit the bill as a replacement for "redhead": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPcR5RVXHMg

The trick is that assonance is sufficient for rap in contrast to a strictly true rhyme.

From the video description: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sporange

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

#49

Other interesting rebracketing/juncture loss: an napron => an apron a nauger => an auger a nadder => an adder And there's probably a bunch more for future centuries [1]. [1] https://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

My favorite one is "umpire". The origin of the word is the Old French nonper which means "not even", referring to an extra person arbitrating a match between two "even" teams.

The "per" part of "nonper" originated from the Latin "par" meaning "even" which is also the root of the modern English words "parity" and the "par" in "par for the course".

"Nonper" then made it's way into Middle English as "noumpere", and "a noumpere" soon became "an oumpere" via re-bracketing. The word pair then evolved into "an oumper", which finally became "an umpire" in modern English.

Re: Color or Fruit? The Unlikely Etymology of “Orange”

#50

In arabic the both the noun and adjectives for "orange" roughly transliterates to "bortuqal": برتقالي What's the word for "Portugal" in arabic? "bortughal" (that is also not a good transliteration) برتغال Arabic is my favorite.

In Turkish, orange is called „Portakal“. Reason is, this fruit was introduced to Ottoman soil by Portuguese sailors. Probably Turkish people heard the name first from North African Arabs living in Ottoman Empire, and they started to use this word.
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