If I could give a six word response for the technical side: "Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat and team". To paraphrase some Cal/UC Berkeley professor that I cannot remember, he said that the problem with scaling is that when you go up a magnitude or more, you may need a qualitatively different solution for the same problem. Jeff Dean and Sanjay Ghemawat and their team have time and time again managed to design and build st…
I think that Google's dominance has almost nothing to do with technology and almost everything to do with customer lock-in. For me, duckduckgo.com is as good as Google but I still use Google because it's the default search engine for Chrome's address bar - And that's where I do all my searches from these days. If Duckduckgo made their own browser which was of the same quality as Chrome then I would definitely conside…
How did Google get so big?
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Re: How did Google get so big?
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I disagree. Partial knowledge and technology can be bad and extremely dangerous. In the 19th- early 20th century they were treating radioactive substances like they were chew toys (making toys etc). The worst nuclear accident happened near lake Karachay, because they had the technology to create nuclear weapons, but did not understand, or knew the danger and how to manage the waste. (Russians were trying to cat…
I'm not sure I understand you. You're saying that we will solve lack of knowledge with stopping the pursuit of knowledge?
Re: How did Google get so big?
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's their product after all; do you point people to your competition from your product? Everyone is free to use anything else. Anti-competitive would be if you couldn't use anything else.
Except google dominates search and search is the only way. This is like if one company owned the street signs, and just took them down arbitrarily.
Re: How did Google get so big?
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you get hired?
I went through a three month-long interview process with them... then they said I did very well and they would be extending me an offer. THen next day, they called and said I would not receive an offer and would not give a reason. THey invited me to interview for that position multiple times over the next couple of years and I finally had to ask them to stop recruiting me for that position... they stopped. :-(
>"Sure, everyone thinks you're a tech company or a search company or whatever - but Google is an advertising company, and thats it. All the other stuff distracts from the fact that youre just the most profitable ad company."
When given the opportunity to demonstrate nuanced thinking, you've boiled down a really complex and large thing into a simple platitude. "Google is an advertising company, and thats it". Really, is that the full story? You truly think that?
I mean if that were the case and you wanted to be genuine you could at least dive to another level and explain why or how.
And for reference it probably would have been okay to say 'No, I'm not sure what kind of company Google is. I know that you guys do X and Y, but I know there's some other stuff too, but I don't have any insight because I don't work here'
Re: How did Google get so big?
#245But this doesn't rule out someone coming up with a disruptive, radically better search. Take this as a thought experiment, somewhere out there, is another Albert Einstein, working on his magnum opus, an AGI based search engine. He has a mind blowing advancement in AGI, like GR was in Physics, that will completely eclipse classical search AND deep learning approaches AND he knows it.
Demos shown to investors are mind blowing, and he quickly raises enough funds to launch a competitor. There is whisper and talk all around the valley. Google tries to make an acquisition, but he and his investors turn it down, because they can see how valuable the tech is. By the time Google realizes their offer should have been much bigger, it's getting traction and taking off like a rocket ship. Now Baidu, Tencent, Alibaba, Amazon, Microsoft, are all looking to acquire it.
Yes, there are arguments that being the "default" is hard to dislodge. But Chrome dislodged IE. Google Search dislodged AltaVista and Yahoo. iOS and Android dislodged Windows. But better technology if it is better enough and marketed correctly can convince consumers to switch. Remember, Chrome was fighting a common refrain that "browsers are done, and who needs another browser?" Efforts like the Chrome Comic Book (https://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/index.html) and eye-catching early Chrome ads (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCgQDjiotG0) was able to overcome consumer inertia of having IE pre-installed.
When the iPod, and a rumored Apple Phone was proposed (but before it was first demoed), we had the same naysayers claiming that a new upstart in a space they had never been in before couldn't possibly defeat the established players like Blackberry or Nokia.
But if you create a sufficiently, radically better product, you in effect, create an entirely new platform or market, NOT simply a competitor within the existing market. This is what any hypothetical competitor to Google Search has to do. They need to change what Search means. It can't mean SERP and PageRank, there are marginal gains to be had. It has to be a radically different kind of search experience.
Re: How did Google get so big?
#246"Some were investigated, but only superficially, the government just really isn't enforcing our antitrust laws. And that's what's happened. None of these acquisitions have been challenged." Behemoths like Google emerge every time new inventions lead to the creation of new markets followed by mass adoption during a relatively short timeframe, when regulations don't exist yet. It has happened in history time and time a…
Regulations do exist... Europe seems to be the only once even superficially enforcing them.
Re: How did Google get so big?
#247Why is Google being big a problem? Who are they hurting by being big at this time? [edit]: to elaborate, I was under the impression that the whole point of anti-monopoly regulations was to protect consumers from monopolistic predatory practices, not to prevent monopolies from actually existing per se. Hence my question: is there anyone actually being hurt by the currently limited choice of search engines or phone ope…
In the US that's true. It's a really awful system.
Awful indeed.
Re: How did Google get so big?
#248IMHO Google should be regulated as a utility. Search is obviously as key to modern life as is electricity, water, highways, etc. Why do we leave this critical infrastructure completely under the control of one corporation, which is itself under the control of just a tiny handful of billionaires? Now, I mostly agree with Sergey and Larry’s investments, and I love the long term approach and big picture view they take.…
It would make much more sense to regulate ISPs, as people are "stuck" with them and don't really have the option not to use internet.
Re: How did Google get so big?
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
In short, network effects. Longer: the amount of power their decisions have to affect society. If the mom-and-pop shop would refuse to serve readheads, that's (mostly) their decision. If Google decided to lock redheads out of their accounts, or block from using Chrome, Android or Search, those people would have serious disadvantages simply going around their daily life.
Are they getting hurt? I guess not. No one has any right to Google services[0]. Google has every right to refuse service to anyone[0]. What if they decided to close shop altogether? Note that locking them e.g. out of a phone they bought before the ban is something different - that would be a breach of contract from Google side. [0] unless there is an existing contract
I absolutely disagree. In Google's case, their service have become an integral part to using the internet - and the internet has become an integral part of daily life. So such a block would absolutely have consequences.
> Note that locking them e.g. out of a phone they bought before the ban is something different - that would be a breach of contract from Google side.
Then it would as well be breach of contract to lock me out of the Play Store until I agreed to an updated ToS. Apparently this can still be done if the old ToS contains the right clauses. So I suspect the phone ban would work similarly.
Re: How did Google get so big?
#250Stoppelman's Yelp is a bad example. I don't want to visit a page that pesters me to install their app instead of showing me the reviews I came to read . If Yelp's ranking has been lowered, good riddance.
I don't really want to defend behaviors similar to Yelp's. Because it's indeed annoying. But let's play devil's advocate here. Part of the reason why Google can have a clear and good user experience, is because they can afford it. On the other hand, for smaller company, not meeting user count goals could mean not getting funding and die. This will force them to nag the users to get them to install the app, even if do…
They have a monopoly on what people see when they want to find something, and can use that to point you to google properties, or should they expand into further ventures such as selling their own goods, move you away from other retailers.