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New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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They should charge a congestion fee then and let the market sort it out, as opposed to artificially regulating one small source of cars (100k for hire vehicles vs 2.7m vehicles entering the city per day). Why would the thought even be to regulate 3% of cars vs. attacking the actual core problem (2.7m cars/day). It makes absolutely no sense (aside from protectionism of the taxi industry)

Why not just let the market sort it out without a congestion fee? Surely there's a point at which there is so much traffic that people will stop taking uber/lyft and prefer to take the subway. Why should the government set an arbitrary bar to that?

> Why not just let the market sort it out without a congestion fee?

You realize that the roads are property right? They're owned by the city. They're funded by the tax payers. Are you telling me they are obligated to share their roads for free?

I simply cannot fathom how someone who is advocating a "free market" solution doesn't understand the important role that property rights play in a market system.

I realize you want free access to the roads, but who says you're entitled to free access? You don't own the roads. I don't care if your tax dollars pay for them, you're not entitled to drive on them just like you're not entitled to roam around on a military base.

If I owned the roads, you bet your ass I'd charge you an arm and a leg to ride on my roads. I would do whatever I could to maximize revenue. This means getting as many paying customers on my roads as possible.

Let's say I owned 10th, 6th and 3rd Avenues and series of cross streets. I could be a conventional thinker and simply turn them into premium express lanes for car services and the wealthy, but that's peanuts.

I could make a lot more money if I turned them into efficient roadways for a fast bus service that's competitive with the MTA. I'd try to make my roadways the fastest and most efficient way to get around the city so I could charge as much as I could to make a profit. For less capital investment, I could get better coverage of the city at a fraction of the price of the subway system.

Who gives a shit if cabbies and people from New Jersey can't drive on my road for free? It's my road! Why should I let your crappy car drive on my roads when I can pack far more customers in my driver-less buses?

If you want a free market solution, then let companies buy/lease the roads. Your solution is not a free market solution. It gives away access to the roads at the tax payer's expense, so taxi/car companies can leach off it. You've socialized the costs and privatized the gains.

Stop telling tax payers what they can and can't do with their roads. It's their roads and they don't owe you shit.

Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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(Former NYC resident here.) For those who don't know, the state of the NYC Subway System is abysmal and plummeted several years ago due to neglect and underinvestment. I went to NYC last weekend and, just like the previous 7 times i went there, subways weren't running normally after-hours (growing up, it functioned well 24-7). This time (last weekend) no subways were running to where I needed to go. The only option w…

Subways not running between 1am and 5am seems like a good thing to me if it means they can use that time to maintain the tracks and stations. The trains and subways in Tokyo are amazing, clean, on time but they stop at 1am and start up around 5am. That sucks for you if you don't want to cab it home after around 12am. As a night owl I love it though as it means there are tons of night venues that are open until at lea…

Similar in Paris. Subways cease between 1am and 5am (approx), and instead there are night busses (Noctilien)

The streets are not crowded between 1am and 5am so night busses make a lot of sense. Then of course you can do scheduled maintenance on the subways.

Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

#103
post #89

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Cab driving is a low skill job, which is why it's so important that proper competition can exist. My first ever Uber driver had water bottles and gum and even throw pillows and a blanket in the back. He was in a suit. He was really polite and all that. Because he's looking for 5 star rankings. Dump all taxi drivers into the same market as this guy and they'll have to improve or be pushed out of business when they get…

> Cab driving is a low skill job, which is why it's so important that proper competition can exist. My first ever Uber driver had water bottles and gum and even throw pillows and a blanket in the back. He was in a suit. He was really polite and all that. Because he's looking for 5 star rankings. I see the offers of water bottles and gum as expressions of desperation in the face of precarity: a 4.6 average will get yo…

I really wish they'd adopt a simple "did something go wrong? was something exceptionally awesome?" flow instead of a star rating.

4/5 stars in a movie is pretty great. 4/5 stars in an Uber is, for some nonsensical reason, abysmal. What's the point of having 1-3 at all at that point?

Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cab driving is a low skill job, which is why it's so important that proper competition can exist. My first ever Uber driver had water bottles and gum and even throw pillows and a blanket in the back. He was in a suit. He was really polite and all that. Because he's looking for 5 star rankings. Dump all taxi drivers into the same market as this guy and they'll have to improve or be pushed out of business when they get…

> Cab driving is a low skill job, which is why it's so important that proper competition can exist. My first ever Uber driver had water bottles and gum and even throw pillows and a blanket in the back. He was in a suit. He was really polite and all that. Because he's looking for 5 star rankings. He's doing that because a small amount of ratings, however fickle or unfair, can make or break his ability to make money wh…

I once got a 1 star for asking the rider to finish his cigarette before getting into my car.

Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

#105
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cab driving is a low skill job, which is why it's so important that proper competition can exist. My first ever Uber driver had water bottles and gum and even throw pillows and a blanket in the back. He was in a suit. He was really polite and all that. Because he's looking for 5 star rankings. I see the offers of water bottles and gum as expressions of desperation in the face of precarity: a 4.6 average will get yo…

I really wish they'd adopt a simple "did something go wrong? was something exceptionally awesome?" flow instead of a star rating. 4/5 stars in a movie is pretty great. 4/5 stars in an Uber is, for some nonsensical reason, abysmal. What's the point of having 1-3 at all at that point?

Additionally, one person's 5 star is another's 3 star. It should be the deviation from your typical ratings. If I give everyone 3s and I give someone a 2, that's less significant than if I regularly give everyone 5s and I give the person a 2. The second person likely messed up way more.

Moreover, they will ask you for the rating several days later if you don't take frequent rides and open the app again. Unless it was terrible, I probably don't remember the details.

Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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> The only option was Uber/Lyft New Yorkers have relied on cabs for generations before Uber and Lyft. > Removing Uber/Lyft is a bad idea They aren't removing them, just regulating the number of cars, of which there is an oversupply: the number of for-hire vehicles in the city has surged, rising to more than 100,000 vehicles, from about 63,000 in 2015, according to the city.

An oversupply according to whom, the taxi drivers? Given how much eager so many riders were to pick them over cabs, they were obviously supplying something that was missing.

Exactly. An oversupply first according to the City. Where they get their data is a mystery. Or not, considering modern politics...

Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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> single medallion owners Most medallions are owned by corporate owners [1]. The drivers work for the medallion owner. The medallion owner collects rent. [1] http://nymag.com/nymetro/urban/features/taxi/n_10292/

>CURRENT OWNERSHIP: 17 percent of medallions are owned by cab fleets; 54 percent are owned by leasing agents, who delegate management to fleets; and 29 percent are owned by independent drivers. I think 29%, 12,187 * .29 ~ 3500 cab drivers, is not insignificant numbers. I don't know though anyone who owns their own medallions -- a few I knew worked for a company that leased their medallions and they paid something lik…

The lease comes with the medallion and a car though, right?

Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

#110

(Former NYC resident here.) For those who don't know, the state of the NYC Subway System is abysmal and plummeted several years ago due to neglect and underinvestment. I went to NYC last weekend and, just like the previous 7 times i went there, subways weren't running normally after-hours (growing up, it functioned well 24-7). This time (last weekend) no subways were running to where I needed to go. The only option w…

Subways not running between 1am and 5am seems like a good thing to me if it means they can use that time to maintain the tracks and stations. The trains and subways in Tokyo are amazing, clean, on time but they stop at 1am and start up around 5am. That sucks for you if you don't want to cab it home after around 12am. As a night owl I love it though as it means there are tons of night venues that are open until at lea…

So the problem with NYC is often poor/no service all weekend long. I encountered my issue last weekend at 10pm on Friday when I got into the city via train.

> just add the cab fare into my "entertainment budget"

This sounds OK, but now think about the working class who have to get to work, or work night shift (at those bars where you're going), or work on weekends, or night school, etc. They cant just take cabs all the time. Uber/Lyft pool has been an expensive but somewhat reachable stop-gap but yellow cabs, especially to far-off outer boroughs where working class live is simply untenable.

Unlike Paris, there is a bit of a different "social contract" in NYC where generations of working class have depended upon, come to expect, and carved their lives/jobs around the expectation of a 24-7 subway system...often not for convenience but for sustenance.

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