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Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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post #116

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It’s also the lingua franca of tech. There isn’t any way to say “Linux Kernel Networking Subsystem” or “8-Way associative cache” in French or any other language without severe lingual contortions.

Then explain to me why the French are using Go, To etc. instead of TB and GB like everyone else?

>Then explain to me why the French are using Go, To etc. instead of TB and GB like everyone else?

Probably because some French law mandates it.

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One complaint about English is that double negatives are not grammatically correct. The word "not" is so important it should be re-enforced in someway. Spanish supports double negatives. The French add redundancy with "ne" and "pas". It's worth noting that American gangsters often talk with double negatives and the U.S. military use the phrase "repeat NOT" since their discussions are often mission critical. But I am…

I meant, it's pretty well reinforced with capitalization or accentuation when speaking ("do NOT! do this"). You're saying in Spanish you can accentuate it like this: "do not, NOT do this"?

More like this: "No haga nada sin pedirme permiso."

Word for word: "Don't do nothing without asking me for permission."

Meaning: Don't do anything without asking me for permission.

Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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The English would actually be 'common speech' - the word language is Latin.

But 'common' is derived from Latin, too! :P

Yes true (although it is from Old French) - let's go for 'shared speech' instead :)

Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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English has also spread due to the enormous influence of English-speaking TV, film, radio and popular music. The internet has only accelerated this. But it's not all in one direction. People also have much more exposure to non-English media too.

I think many native English speakers probably don't realise just how smaller the internet feels when you're browsing in a language with a much smaller number of speakers than English.

Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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Not plausible, they would still have 2 members where English plays an important role: Ireland (though not the 1st official language) and Malta

I have always found the Irish approach to Gaelic amusing - you have a whole country that can speak a language that almost nobody actually does.

"you have a whole country that can speak a language"

Yeah, not really (for both parts)

But there are small parts that are (natively) Irish speaking, called Gaeltacht

Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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This is the idea behind Esperanto, the movement behind which further stipulates that the common second tongue should be universally second, to avoid privileging native speakers and promulgating hegemony. (Granted, Esperanto vocabulary and orthography is quite Euro-centric.) Learning a second language is difficult, especially one very unlike your native tongue. Native speakers of the de facto lingua franca always have…

The problem about Esperanto (aside from Eurocentrism) is that it has no real bulkhead to start from, unlike (to pick Esperanto-origin-era competitors) say French, English or Spanish.

Two other problems: 1) it's eclectic (i.e. its vocabulary is assembled using words belonging to other European languages), and 2) unlike English, it uses diacritics.

Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also the lingua franca of tech. There isn’t any way to say “Linux Kernel Networking Subsystem” or “8-Way associative cache” in French or any other language without severe lingual contortions.

Then explain to me why the French are using Go, To etc. instead of TB and GB like everyone else?

They haven't gotten over the whole "lingua Franca" thing.

Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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post #116

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It’s also the lingua franca of tech. There isn’t any way to say “Linux Kernel Networking Subsystem” or “8-Way associative cache” in French or any other language without severe lingual contortions.

Then explain to me why the French are using Go, To etc. instead of TB and GB like everyone else?

Gigaoctet isn't exactly a severe linguistic contortion though.

Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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Or even just the cultural exports due to British and US media (BBC, Hollywood, etc) or the desire to do business in wealthier markets.

Many of the “cultural exports” are, however, essentially propaganda to glorify the power and righteousness of the American empire. History has proven that this “soft power” approach to be incredibly effective. After all, we still study and celebrate similar texts from the Greek and Roman empires, even though they’re 1000s of years dead. Much less so those who they conquered, exploited, and enslaved.

While Hollywood definitely takes into consideration foreign markets when making films, the idea that their agenda is to propagandize the rest of the world is laughable. They make what sells, because all they care about is making money.

Re: Behemoth, bully, thief: how the English language is taking over the planet

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post #116

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It’s also the lingua franca of tech. There isn’t any way to say “Linux Kernel Networking Subsystem” or “8-Way associative cache” in French or any other language without severe lingual contortions.

Then explain to me why the French are using Go, To etc. instead of TB and GB like everyone else?

They actively avoid loan words from English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Académie_française#Anglicisms
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