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Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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We should seed the universe with tardigrades. It sounds like they deserve it.

Perhaps the tardigrades have already done that.

Or maybe tardigrades seeded Earth with our ancestors. Maybe tardis and tardigrade come from the same ancient language. If so, I for one am ready to serve our diminutive overlords.

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Unscientific trope of pure love: In German they are called Bärtierchen (lose translation: bear-thingies) whose name and appearance is reminiscent of gummy-bears.

translates more like "bear animal" actually

Tierchen is surely cuter than just Animal? Like maybe like critter or beastie?

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

#103
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One thing that I have always worried about Antartic ice melting and unleashing some ancient black death like plague for which we dont have any immunity.

It would be extremely unlikely for ancient (millions years old) organism to be better at penetrating human immune system than organisms that evolved in arms race with us. It's like taking a DOS virus and expecting it to infect iphones :)

Is it true that the human "OS" (i.e., genome) has changed that radically?

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Tardigrades are hardcore. From Wikipedia: Tardigrades are considered to be able to survive even complete global mass extinction events due to astrophysical events, such as gamma-ray bursts, or large meteorite impacts. Some of them can withstand extremely cold temperatures down to 1 K (−458 °F; −272 °C) (close to absolute zero), while others can withstand extremely hot temperatures up to 420 K (300 °F; 150 °C) for sev…

Sounds like a reliable self-repairing and self-replicating storage solution. Encode the data in their dna and secure it with a hash.

And chain that hash to the next self-replicated individual to form a bioblockchain, to distribute copies and achieve bioconsensus. I worry though about viral 51% attacks.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

#105
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> Some 300 prehistoric worms were analysed - and two ‘were shown to contain viable nematodes’. This sounds like 300 non-nematode worms were examined, and two of them contained viable nematodes as parasites. Is that correct? Because everything else in the article sounds like the nematodes are the worms, rather than were in the worms. It's a tiny detail, but it's bugging me.

I understand that those are Roundworms, not tardigrades. If they start to feed inmediately I understand also that aren't a parasitic species. There are a lot of species living freely in the soil.

Why the article was published just now (the samples were taken in 2015) is a most interesting question. Probably related with the current rush to explore the martian ice pole to find life. The siberian experts would add a invaluable experience in how to attack this drill problem avoiding contamination of the sample, and taking a undisturbed core-layers of ice to date it and understand the past climate of mars.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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post #103
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be extremely unlikely for ancient (millions years old) organism to be better at penetrating human immune system than organisms that evolved in arms race with us. It's like taking a DOS virus and expecting it to infect iphones :)

Is it true that the human "OS" (i.e., genome) has changed that radically?

Depends how far back "ancient" is. But most sicknesses only infect closely related species, and homo sapiens is here for maybe 100 000 years, so I wouldn't be too worried.

On the other hand I'm very afraid what will happen when people can download, tweak, and 3d-print viruses as a hobby.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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> Some 300 prehistoric worms were analysed - and two ‘were shown to contain viable nematodes’. This sounds like 300 non-nematode worms were examined, and two of them contained viable nematodes as parasites. Is that correct? Because everything else in the article sounds like the nematodes are the worms, rather than were in the worms. It's a tiny detail, but it's bugging me.

Hum, It seems that they belong to genus Plectus. This genus have some deep-dwelling species of free-living roundworms. At least eight species of Plectus are well adapted to live in very cold and dry ecosystems from Antarctica also.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

#109

So these are probably the oldest living organisms in existence then, huh? I'm not aware of anything that's older than 42000 years, but I'd be amazed to be wrong :)

Marine colonial cnidarians could theoretically fight also for that title, but the oldest alive Black corals are dated "only" 4000 years old or so.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

#110
post #17

I thought the half life of DNA was around 400 years. Anyone know how this is possible?

This depends only on system input energy statistics.

At low temperatures (the lower you go) and low radiation (the lower you go) there is not enough energy in the system to exceed activation energy and break down DNA (meaning statistically it's extremely unlikely (arbitrarily) for enough energy to enter the system in a short enough period of time to break down the structure) (there's always the minuscule chance that some wavefunction posits enough energy into the system of course).

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