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Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by nyconyco »

travbrack wrote: post #391
Alupis wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For on-prem, why not use a free and enterprise-quality XMPP server, like Openfire[1]? It's Java so runs just about anywhere, and with even relatively low resource allocations, you can support a large number of concurrent chats and group sessions. Plus, since XMPP is an Open Standard, you can use any XMPP complaint client of your choosing. Cisco embeds Openfire in a few of their enterprise products already (including…

The client-side story of XMPP is pretty bleak, especially if you're trying to get non-technical people to use it.

We are trying to fix the shameful situation: https://nayego.net/ you can subscribe if you want to see the preview, but it's work in progress.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by nyconyco »

travbrack wrote: post #524
SamWhited wrote: post #412

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This is why we need specific services (like Slack or HipChat) that are XMPP but maintain their own ecosystem, clients, specific feature sets, etc. Then if you want to use third party clients (eg. for better accessibility, or because your platform isn't supported officially, etc.) you can, but if not you can use their clients. HipChat was almost this way (I used Mcabber with it extensively), but had just enough bits o…

It's a real shame that the industry has forsaken the protocol in favor of walled gardens.

We'll be trying to fix that by offering the XMPP "Team Chat" client that is much needed... https://nayego.net/ you can subscribe if you want to see the preview.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by nyconyco »

edwinnathaniel wrote: post #517
mulcahey wrote: post #496

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the UI/UX is so different I'd be very surprised if they managed that

See SKYPE for Business. replace('Lync', 'Skype') probably...

Oh Mircosfot's strategy is the weirdest: OCS, Lync, Skype, Skype for Business, Teams, Yammer... People are just lost.

Nayego is trying to hard build a HipChat-like client+server that is open source and based on XMPP. https://nayego.net/ you can subscribe if you want to see a preview.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by nyconyco »

u801e wrote: post #464
paranoidrobot wrote: post #186

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One of the main benefits of Slack (to me, at least) is persistence, which you don't get from IRC. If I'm not connected to Slack, or even a member of a Slack channel - I can connect/join the channel and be able to get all of the history back to the beginning of the channel (or whatever Slack's limitation is). This makes it very easy to jump into the middle of a conversation and not worry you've missed some important c…

Years ago, my company used an internally hosted XMPP server. When you joined a group chat from another client, it would replay messages that were sent while you weren't connected (or possibly some fixed time period of messages).

That is the MUC room lastest messages logs. When you disconnect+reconnect fast you have them all the time.

With Nayego, we are working on that. https://nayego.net/ you can subscribe if you want to see the preview.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by BjoernKW »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #573
solatic wrote: post #107

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

On premise is apparently not big enough as a market for Atlassian. This does not surprise me: it needs a lot of hand holding; and saas gets you revenue much cheaper because you get economies of scale and much less support headaches. On top of that people get stuck on old versions of your product, which you then need to support as well because they payed you a premium for it. With SAAS you just have one version to wor…

> Compliance issues can be addressed in the cloud as well.

Absolutely. Depending on how an organization manages its own IT security, data can even be more secure in the cloud than it would be on premises.

Decent providers like Atlassian invest in their IT security and employ dedicated security experts, something that can't be said of all organizations that host their software on premises.

However, I think in some cases being able to run specific software on premises is still a valid concern. Compliance is only one possible reason. Being able to easily access your data outside of the vendor's software might be another.

While they can be addressed, alleviating compliance concerns often is no easy task either, especially if your organization has to comply with laws and regulations from different jurisdictions. For example, I know of one organization where developers are allowed to use most Amazon services but are explicitly forbidden to use Amazon SES because that service currently is only available in a region that's technically outside (EU but not the same member state) of the jurisdiction the organization is in.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by 2T1Qka0rEiPr »

dmode wrote: post #376

Our Corp IT requested engineering to Pilot Google Hangout Chats as we already have GSuite. Turns out that Slack is the most expensive enterprise application that IT owns. It is more expensive that GSuite, although it provides a specific utility, while GSuite has emails, spreadsheets, docs etc. etc. That doesn't really sounds sustainable.

Any feedback on Google Hangouts Chat?

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by arkadiytehgraet »

nyconyco wrote: post #580

Hey all here, So I observe that lots of team chat users seem lost and don't what to do anymore. The problem with alternative Open Source team chats attempts is that they are just another silo, or walled garden. Instances do not talk to each other. A private island cannot join continent. Even within the same organisations plenty of incompatible team chats are used competitively, fragmenting the workforces. We propose…

Your landing page takes five hundred years to load.

If you cannot do well such a simple thing as landing page, how do you have any courage to promote your actual product, which is much, much more complex than a single page?

If anything, all your marketing pamphlets are now working against you, not increasing confidence in your product, but rather decreasing it.

Perhaps you should do your best first, then hijack threads with shameful self-promotion?

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by contras1970 »

Diederich wrote: post #448
bigiain wrote: post #349

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For one thing, an IRC client doesn't pin a core of my cpu at 100% and consume half a gig of ram... (But I realise I'm well out on the losing end of this argument, even in groups of old-school hard core technical friends/colleagues, I've been given the "crazy look" when suggesting we just use irc for chat... )

> pin a core of my cpu at 100% and consume half a gig of ram... I'm not doubting you, and I acknowledge that I hear that kind of thing with some frequency, but I've not seen Slack (running in Chrome on Ubuntu) use anything like those amounts of resources. I've had a pretty busy slack client running for several days, and it's using 204,484K of memory and 2.0% of one CPU.

200M/2% is still pretty bad, isn't it? IRC clients worked perfectly on machines with less total virtual memory 20 years ago (and before).

    USER        PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ    RSS TT  STAT   STARTED      TIME COMMAND
    fubar      2922  0.0  0.1  61648  26668  2  S0+    19Mar18  22:58.73 weechat

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by matteuan »

freeone3000 wrote: post #550
solatic wrote: post #107

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

Microsoft Teams has on-prem support.

source?

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by paulydavis »

solatic wrote: post #107

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

I went to their city tour in Austin Texas and they said they where going to fully integrate Jenkins with Bitbuket and Jira. I suspect Bamboo is in trouble. I kept asking where their Hipchat under red hat image was with no answer. At the meet in great I was told by Hipchat Engineer to look for an another solution! I wonder if they new then?
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