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Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by maze-le »

it33 wrote: post #509
solatic wrote: post #107

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

Mattermost CEO here. We're thinking of offering a special package for HipChat customers who want to stay on-prem using Mattermost. It's perhaps a mix of services, migration/import assistance and possibly a discount to our commercial version. Would such a package be interesting? For anyone who'd like to discuss outside of HN, please feel free to mail us at info at mattermost.com

Hey there, we are using mattermost as self-hosted chat infrastructure. I personally like the software, even if some of my colleagues don't agree with me here. Whatever you do in the future, I really hope you don't pull an - potentially incompatibility introducing - acquisition like this one. It is very frustrating to have a piece of infrastructure working just to realize one year later, that you will have to migrate again...

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by Promarged »

nyconyco wrote: post #580

Hey all here, So I observe that lots of team chat users seem lost and don't what to do anymore. The problem with alternative Open Source team chats attempts is that they are just another silo, or walled garden. Instances do not talk to each other. A private island cannot join continent. Even within the same organisations plenty of incompatible team chats are used competitively, fragmenting the workforces. We propose…

Sounds nice, too bad there are no screenshots so I can't see what does it look like without giving my e-mail.

Does it run on an open protocol? (Maybe HTTP or XMPP based?)

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by xPaw »

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #495
blkhawk wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see any compelling reason to adopt Slack. It does nothing that I care about that IRC doesn't do. If IRC completely implodes, I would run my own IRC server.

IRC is horrible on phones (shitty history when you drop out of an internet connection, no cross-device unread-count synchronization, no encryption or login, etc). There are add-ons that try to fix that, but it's still a giant pain. I personally love Riot and Matrix as a "modern IRC".

The Lounge is an IRC client that solves the problems you describe (persistence on any device, synchronised unread counters, push notifications) - https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge

It does require having your own server to host it on though.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by LiquidFlux »

nyconyco wrote: post #580

Hey all here, So I observe that lots of team chat users seem lost and don't what to do anymore. The problem with alternative Open Source team chats attempts is that they are just another silo, or walled garden. Instances do not talk to each other. A private island cannot join continent. Even within the same organisations plenty of incompatible team chats are used competitively, fragmenting the workforces. We propose…

Echoing Promarged, the world class UX claim had me searching for screenshots, not having any was a major turn-off.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by xPaw »

theamk wrote: post #312
lossolo wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do not use Slack, we use IRC for direct and fast communication. We do not use it for things that need RFCs and technical specifications, for that we use gitlab and other tools. IRC is great and I am using it for 14+ years already. It's stable, fast, efficient and secure with lots of options. I've written a lot of IRC bots in many languages because protocol is so easy and every language have library/bot for IRC tha…

What is the good story of multi-computer/mobile IRC access, with shared read state notifications? I used to run IRC on the server in the screen session, but this is unusable on mobile. And setting up properly was a total PITA.

The Lounge solves the problems you describe: https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge#overview

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by qznc »

gregmac wrote: post #239
philwelch wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are two camps: the we-should-just-use-irc camp, and the we-need-every-feature camp. I'm firmly in the "email should be used for substantive discussions" camp, but ever since we got the bandwidth and CPU necessary for the internet to not be a primarily text-based medium, the illiterates took over and that was the end of that.

I'm firmly in the "email has no place in internal discussions whatsoever" camp. Tasks belong in tickets, long-term documentation/policies/meeting notes/etc belong in shared space (wiki), and discussions are faster and more productive in realtime (in-person, video call, or chat). E-mail might kick some of this off, or be used to schedule, but that should be it. The problem I think most people run into with the realtim…

I'm in the same camp. In my company there is so much knowledge hidden in inboxes that should be available and searchable by everybody instead. I ask my colleague and be forwards me an email thread from three months ago where I was not included. This is inefficient.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by jhabdas »

it33 wrote: post #509
solatic wrote: post #107

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

Mattermost CEO here. We're thinking of offering a special package for HipChat customers who want to stay on-prem using Mattermost. It's perhaps a mix of services, migration/import assistance and possibly a discount to our commercial version. Would such a package be interesting? For anyone who'd like to discuss outside of HN, please feel free to mail us at info at mattermost.com

Impeccable timing.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by tozeur »

tabbott wrote: post #414
ironjunkie wrote: post #165

When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

Because just about every technical team needs the ability to do some sort of real-time communication, and Slack's UI is obviously better polished than the products that predate it (HipChat/IRC/etc). If you're looking for a product built by top MIT engineers who spent years thinking about how to make chat actually productive, check out Zulip. I'm one of those MIT engineers, and I agree that Slack is a huge waste of ti…

Did you really have to mention your “MIT” education twice to convince us that you solved a relatively simple UI problem?

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by Uberphallus »

hadrien01 wrote: post #332
rb808 wrote: post #277

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Skype for Business, works on prem. Matrix is probably good too. Confluence can be installed on prem already.

S4B works with our VoIP infrastructure and is on-premise but the client is awfully slowly and badly needs to be reworked. But with Microsoft is abandoning on-premise services...

It's so slow and buggy that sometimes it registers clicks I do on the chat window as if I did them on the contact search one and end up sending that funny meme to a multichat I created with 30 I don't know instead of the contact/tab I selected.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by baud147258 »

dang wrote: post #537
nichochar wrote: post #502

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lol you thought boards that make the acquisition decisions give a shit about customers? Welcome to the world buddy, money is everythting

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